India: Covid - II

[gattaca]

20 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Sputnik is already approved and imported and tests are being done it right now

 

Better than the moronic pm who didn't even order enough vaccines for his own people.

 

* off sanghi

one moron doesn’t make other a thalapahy. funk off rice bag convert commie.

Edited May 12, 2021 by gattaca

[Stan AF]

For eg @vvvslaxman
this is just one of many

 

 

[Clarke]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Combination of many things expedited this catastrophe. All these things were predicted. Just that government was totally unprepared. They had time to build hospitals. Set up isolation wards. Address the nation weekly and ensure people don't drop their guard. It was more about photo op, chest thumping. "Hey look we have saved the world by exporting vaccines".  Fortunately first strain was less virulent. Didn't drive a large group of people to the ICU. One could spin all they want, but blood on their hands. People literally died without oxygen outside of the hospital. True numbers are far far more. We may never know.  I see the numbers going down. But i can also sense government/people letting the guard down once again.

 

About govt we'll see if they learn from this massive failure, wrt people I don't think we measured up to the task or ever will do so. It requires utmost commitment & discipline and a few bad apples (which we have many) will always spoil the basket. I don't like it one bit, I don't know the answer to it either, strict policing etc is just punishing law enforcement for the fault of majority people.

[Mariyam]

20 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Russia wants to manufacture in India to meet the demand. Germany is already buying. Just floating an order doesn’t make faltupathy a thalaphathy. 

I don't really care about faltupathy/thalapathy references nor do I get them. I don't watch inferior Tamil/Telugu Cinema. I only watch culturally superior and enriching Bollywood.

 

Yes floating a tendor doesn't guarantee you any vaccines. But not floating a tendor definitely means that you won't get any. 

 

What is the harm if the States try to procure their own vaccines in this situation? There is a logjam wrt what is coming from the centre. Besides that is only for the 45+ people. 

 

I see it as a huge plus that the states are actually willing to pay up ( even if they pay a percentage and request for central help) for their vaccines. 

 

Why is this such a bad idea?

[gattaca]

Just now, Mariyam said:

I don't really care about faltupathy/thalapathy references nor do I get them. I don't watch inferior Tamil/Telugu Cinema. I only watch culturally superior and enriching Bollywood.

 

Yes floating a tendor doesn't guarantee you any vaccines. But not floating a tendor definitely means that you won't get any. 

 

What is the harm if the States try to procure their own vaccines in this situation? There is a logjam wrt what is coming from the centre. Besides that is only for the 45+ people. 

 

I see it as a huge plus that the states are actually willing to pay up ( even if they pay a percentage and request for central help) for their vaccines. 

 

Why is this such a bad idea?

Never said it is bad idea but is it viable ? Did they do ground work ? doesn’t mean one is a great leader because he floated a tender. 

[Mariyam]

29 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Interesting. Medicines are fine, but never heard of vaccines getting bought on tender. Maybe the crisis and situation sets a precedent. It will be hard to get vaccines in the global market now

 

I haven't heard of medicines being ordered this way earlier either. 

But we haven't been in this kind of a situation earlier. 

 

For each state its a cost benefit analysis. How long can they wait for vaccines to be provided? Would the local economy totally collapse till then? Would it be better to buy vaccines now, even at a higher cost and attempt to revive economic activity.

 

No easy answers here.

[Mariyam]

7 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Never said it is bad idea but is it viable ? Did they do ground work ? doesn’t mean one is a great leader because he floated a tender. 

I'm not saying that he is a great leader. Most likely he is a dynast just like his opponents and his predecessors. Like the zillions of local state satraps that we have.

 

To answer your question Imma post what I replied to @coffee_rules

For each state its a cost benefit analysis. How long can they wait for vaccines to be provided? Would the local economy totally collapse till then? Would it be better to buy vaccines now, even at a higher cost and attempt to revive economic activity. 

 

How long can you placate small business owners to shut shop or work from 8am-11am?

 

[Clarke]

Even if the states want fweedom to order, would it help them if they did it via the center or collectively to place a bigger order ? Unless they are choosy about vaccine type, it makes some sense to have some coordination at center. 

 

There's also the question of upcoming surge in production for Sputnik & J&J in India. Do u still need a global tender, bagal mein (aane wala) chora types scenario ?

Edited May 12, 2021 by Clarke

[coffee_rules]

21 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

One of my closest friend who is extreme far right guy so much so he even talks violent language. He mostly shares articles from this site. Pretty much all of them are garbage. 

I don’t value blanket statements, it has to be backed with some proof. Your perception of them is drawn from your opinion on your closest friend.

[rkt.india]

39 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Second wave was bound to happen. Doctors warned even back in February about that.  What would have been a steady growth attained exponential growth thanks to re-opening of shops, mass gatherings. IN a 15 day period it suddenly spiked. 

 

Why no second wave in China? In Feb, we had 10k cases. Then how did this wave started when we hardly had any cases and deaths?

Edited May 12, 2021 by rkt.india

[mishra]

Only GoI can bear the politics and Chutiyaap of State Government on vaccines. 
 

I am certain that all Indians and Indian politicians doing politics are in for a surprise, at response to International tender by foreign manufacturers in response to cost, delivery date and number of doses.

But I will be happy even if Indian states manage to procure just say 100-200 million doses in nxt 6 month

[coffee_rules]

18 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Never said it is bad idea but is it viable ? Did they do ground work ? doesn’t mean one is a great leader because he floated a tender. 

Many states have done it before TN, Orissa (Patnaik) was first. Good Stalin has followed. Any move to help the situation is good. 
 

Please calm down you and @Stan AF, no need to get personal 

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Why no second wave in China? In Feb, we had 10k cases. Then how did this wave started when we hardly had any cases and deaths?

Do you know how they handle? If they see one COVID infected person in an apartment they shied the entire apartment. Nobody can go out and come in.

[coffee_rules]

22 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

I don't really care about faltupathy/thalapathy references nor do I get them. I don't watch inferior Tamil/Telugu Cinema. I only watch culturally superior and enriching Bollywood.

How do you end up trolling while responding on a serious subject

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I don’t value blanket statements, it has to be backed with some proof. Your perception of them is drawn from your opinion on your closest friend.

 

Because the articles i have read never had any proofs. Mere conjectures. No ground work.  No in person research. 

[vvvslaxman]

27 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

For eg @vvvslaxman
this is just one of many

 

 

 

Yup. Many first hand accounts corroborate COVID deaths are grossly under-reported. It is all about optics now.

[coffee_rules]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Because the articles i have read never had any proofs. Mere conjectures. No ground work.  No in person research. 

Show me one such article was what I meant. Otherwise it doesn’t mean much

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Show me one such article was what I meant. Otherwise it doesn’t mean much

Haven't checked in ages. You could believe what you want. I know the standard of that site. 

[coffee_rules]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Haven't checked in ages. You could believe what you want. I know the standard of that site. 

I asked you because recently you ranted that you are not concerned about content reportage of scroll, theWire in this time of crisis, but now you do blanket statements on Swarajya being far right. So, what suits your opinions is what matters. I can show why we feel scroll and wire do dishonest journalism 

Edited May 12, 2021 by coffee_rules

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I asked you because recently you ranted that you are not concerned about content reportage of scroll, theWire in this time of crisis, but now you do blanket statements on Swarajya being far right. So, what suits your opinions is what matters. I can show why we feel scroll and wire do dishonest journalism 

 

I don't follow them either.  This one and there is one more indiafacts or something they are like alt right news source we find here.