Norman Posted July 9, 2021 Author Posted July 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: TF is that thing ref's holding?
Jimmy Cliff Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, Norman said: TF is that thing ref's holding? Stick/cane used by the visually impaired .
zen Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) I am a neutral and would be in for a good game (hope that both teams do not play it safe but go for goals). However, since we have many UK based ICFers, I would be happy if Eng wins If there is a penalty shootout, no team has won two back to back shootouts in Euro, therefore Italy will have to make history to win if the game goes to that stage Edited July 9, 2021 by zen G_B_ 1
Mariyam Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 16 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Still better than India who can barely beat Bangladesh in football.. you can’t talk about loser mentality when our fans chest thump over a teams result in a sport which only 10 countries play seriously. let’s not throw mud at superior sporting countries to inflate egos. Credit is due as they have also reached the semis in 2918 we after not progressing past the QFs for many years. Superior sporting country? One that needs a technicality to finally land a WC trophy in an elitist sport it invented 200+ years ago. That too a sport that is played by just 10 nations!
LordPrabhzy Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Superior sporting country? One that needs a technicality to finally land a WC trophy in an elitist sport it invented 200+ years ago. That too a sport that is played by just 10 nations! i didn’t know your yardstick measuring sporting success was ODI worldcups… I mean obviously the fact that UK wins more medals every Olympic compared to India’s entire overall tally.. clearly UK is not a sporting nation…right?
LordPrabhzy Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Genetically Indians are fecked,not much you could do. We can’t use the genetics excuse anymore it’s getting old..why are Japan and Korea so good at football? They have similar builds to indians in terms of height. And also Arabs.. they aren’t huge by any stretch of the imagination. The issue is grassroots level football is not designed to improve the football level- when our premier football league which is there only to make money for owners you will never make world class footballers.. we have to go the African way and allow footballers to play club football in Europe otherwise we will always be shite. Our domestic football is diabolical so is african domestic football but they still produce world class players? Why?- European leagues. Scouts come to Africa to pick the next potential talent— no one comes to India because they know everyone is obsessed with cricket and Kohli’s hanging balls to take football seriously. Why would they waste their time.
Gollum Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Genetically Indians are fecked,not much you could do. Football is more of a skill based sport with lots of emphasis on technique/tactics, genetics is a lame excuse. Wrestling (Freestyle, Greco-Roman) is 10x as physical as football, yet we are better than most of the Western European, African and South American countries presently, watch upcoming Olympics, will be clear as daylight. Not just us, Central Asian countries, China, Russia, Georgia, Cuba, Mongolia too haven't set the world stage on fire when it comes to football, do they also lack in genetics dept? Sprint events, basketball, long distance running sure our bodies aren't built to dominate. Not football. Edited July 10, 2021 by Gollum
LordPrabhzy Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: They are more athletic than us. also east Asians are good at organising .Arabs use quite a few African origin players as well. Africans are sought after in the sporting world ,you can't compare us to them. We need to improve our referees as well ,otherwise our players look clueless with their tackles in int level. How is a 5ft 8 Japanese slim build footballer more athletic than a 5ft 8 indian slim build footballer? I was talking about the system African players go through to get to Europe to play in elite leagues.. if African players can come from dirt poor countries with no money to invest in sports, why can’t a country like india which has the capability and money to improve grassroots level football cant create good footballers? Kids themselves in india are obsessed with cricket and the pool of people who play football seriously is very very small. You will never find a gem this way.
Gollum Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) USA, China, Russia are the 3 greatest sporting powers on this planet (Great Britain pumped in a lot of money since 2008 due to London Games, will barely finish in top 10 this time). Looked at the 2018 FIFA WC participants, no USA, no China, Russia yup they were hosts. Can someone convince me that Panama or Costa Rica have superior genetics to the GOAT sporting nation USA (filthy rich, most populous first world country, diamond called NCAA, top infra, know-how/coaches/trainers, MLS etc.)....or that Saudi>China? And if Croatia>Russia, I'll say Bangladesh>Spain, matlab kuch bhi!!!!! Edited July 10, 2021 by Gollum
Gollum Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Wrestling has weight categories we are better in the lighter categories. We do well in the 65-80 kg weight categories, and remember those athletes drastically cut weight before competition, can safely add 10 kg to get their normal non-wrestling weight. Football isn't exactly played by heavyweights, and most great players are 1.65-1.75m tall.
G_B_ Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 Hmm while not competing at the world level india should atleast be regularly qualifying for Asian cup. The problem is that there is 0 movement in Indian football for decades. The administration is political incapable and incompetant. I dont think we have a proper stadium in india for football. Salt lake stadium also has an athletic track
G_B_ Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 And re genes There is an argument to be made about genes. The type of food consumed the type bodies which are built to store fat. Walk into any restaurent selling any sort of south asian cuisine its calorie center and high on carbs which boosts central obesity. In uk the south asian community are simply not there in football despite having a population of 5 million odd. The black community are only 2 million but make up 30-40% of the starting 11. There is a common argument that asian parents want children to focus on academic stuff. But how do you explain south asian origin cricketers? Cricket pays much less than football. A lower league footballer earns much more than a top cricketer. South asians love money. Wembley in london is actually located in the british indian belt. The FA have worked etc extremely hard to push top footballing infra near wembley and reached out to the asian community to take part. I.e they are working hard to push south asians in football. So genes do matter. We need to accept it. Its not just football. You simply dont see south asians in rugby. If india gets its admin based **** together i think at best we can reach the level of south korea/japan. Look at Australia, joined asian football and started dominating teams much more organised like china. As a country india imo needs to focus on individual events in Olympics . All that money pumped into hockey and you at max can get 2 medals Keep football as a recreation sport. Focus on weigh lifting shooting wrestling boxing.
Singh bling Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 9 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: How is a 5ft 8 Japanese slim build footballer more athletic than a 5ft 8 indian slim build footballer? I was talking about the system African players go through to get to Europe to play in elite leagues.. if African players can come from dirt poor countries with no money to invest in sports, why can’t a country like india which has the capability and money to improve grassroots level football cant create good footballers? Kids themselves in india are obsessed with cricket and the pool of people who play football seriously is very very small. You will never find a gem this way. West Africans are genetically blessed with fast twitch fibres. Look at kenyans even they are Africans extremely good at marathon but not so good in football.
Mariyam Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: i didn’t know your yardstick measuring sporting success was ODI worldcups… I mean obviously the fact that UK wins more medals every Olympic compared to India’s entire overall tally.. clearly UK is not a sporting nation…right? The yard stick is always based on $ spent / athlete. Its only in cricket that Indian and English players have comparable spends on them when growing up. And Indian performance is markedly better in all forms of the game. Has been ever since I've started following cricket. Look at hockey, another game where India barely spent some $ at the grass root levels and dominated in the Olympics for a while. The English are nowhere in the picture. In individual games, the English expend a lot more resources per athlete than India. So its natural they do better. Compared to other nations which invest equal amounts in the Olympics, the English are nothing to brag about. Edited July 10, 2021 by Mariyam
Singh bling Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gollum said: Football is more of a skill based sport with lots of emphasis on technique/tactics, genetics is a lame excuse. Wrestling (Freestyle, Greco-Roman) is 10x as physical as football, yet we are better than most of the Western European, African and South American countries presently, watch upcoming Olympics, will be clear as daylight. Not just us, Central Asian countries, China, Russia, Georgia, Cuba, Mongolia too haven't set the world stage on fire when it comes to football, do they also lack in genetics dept? Sprint events, basketball, long distance running sure our bodies aren't built to dominate. Not football. Who the hell watches wrestling barring when you want medal In Olympics or Asian games. . You can also say we have best fast bowlers than Africans, Americans and chinese. but the truth is they don't play cricket . Medal based sports are total BS as they require government facilities. That's why usa china Russia dominates them. Edited July 10, 2021 by Singh bling Mariyam 1
Gollum Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Singh bling said: Who the hell watches wrestling barring when you want medal In Olympics or Asian games. . You can also say we have best fast bowlers than Africans, Americans and chinese. but the truth is they don't play cricket . Medal based sports are total BS as they require government facilities. That's why usa china Russia dominates them. There is a saying in America that when boys watch football (NFL), men watch wrestling. It is huge in USA, Russia, China, Japan, Iran, Turkey, Cuba etc....you know countries that actually dominate sports. In USA every single school has a wrestling team comprising of the toughest kids (if any of your relatives is there ask him/her), in the Caucasus region it is like a religion preparing future Khabibs. Just because you tune in once in 4 years to watch some event or that Indians in general have no affinity towards sporting activities, doesn't mean nobody else on the planet watches or participates in it. It is an ancient sport still thriving, unsurpassed in effectiveness as can be seen from MMA results (only martial art that is compulsory in MMA), deserves respect. Moreover show respect to our wrestlers who are gonna lock horns with rest of the world, in a sport more global and competitive than cricket or hockey...that bolded bit makes zero sense over here. Medal based sports aren't BS just because you say so. Edited July 10, 2021 by Gollum
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