zen Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 With Bumrah off color, Ind was basically bowling with 2 pacers, missing the 4th pacer in the 1st inning … Kiwis take a 32 runs lead Banton 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, zen said: With Bumrah off color, Ind was basically bowling with 2 pacers, missing the 4th pacer in the 1st inning … Kiwis take a 32 runs lead And what about field placing of Captain Kohli. Even local clubs set more aggressive field Link to comment
ash Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Until we get someone who bats as good as Jadeja and can swing the ball, this is the best possible combination. Lord 1 Link to comment
Serpico Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 their figures are 3-48 in 22 overs. they are not the problem. if anything they were underutilized, Ashwin should have bowled mote to kane Link to comment
zen Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) On 6/22/2021 at 11:33 AM, mishra said: And what about field placing of Captain Kohli. Even local clubs set more aggressive field Big failure of spinners to be effective (failed to even run the game close) on the 5th/6th day Ind is selecting teams as if a game is a buffet with all kinds of dishes lined up for you to eat whatever you please. OTHD, NZ was focused with its selection of bowlers per conditions … In the past two, Ind has played Kumble and Harbjajan as a part of 4 bowlers but it can be overlooked as Ind did not have the pace bowling depth that it has now It appears as if Indians do not understand sports in general. In cric, it gets by being like a plant in a desert (as other major teams are focused on many other sports) NZ was guaranteed the title either through a win or a draw when Ind announced its 11 with 2 spinners. Ind still had the opportunity to change its team after seeing the conditions Edited June 23, 2021 by zen Vk1 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, zen said: Big failureof spinners to be effective (failed to even run the game close) on the 5th/6th day 3rd day pitch. Low target, quicks aren't doing jack, haven't done jack whole test except 1st innings Shami. Lol at 'big failure'. Link to comment
zen Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Gollum said: 3rd day pitch. Low target, quicks aren't doing jack, haven't done jack whole test except 1st innings Shami. Lol at 'big failure'. Because when you play 3 pacers in such conditions and if one of them is off color, it dents the bowling attack … Which is why you play 4 pacers as you have more chance of more of them having a good to great game, while being rotated in a way that they maintain intensity Link to comment
Lord Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Spinners have taken 5 out off 12 wickets without bowling on a 4th 5th day pitch.Very less overs too.Given the conditions,it can be argued they outbowled both Ishant and Bumrah In a normal game with 250 to defend,they might have won the game for us. OP might call this a rank turner Link to comment
Lord Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, zen said: Because when you play 3 pacers in such conditions and if one of them is off color, it dents the bowling attack … Which is why you play 4 pacers as you have more chance of more of them having a good to great game, while being rotated in a way that they maintain intensity if Ashwin goes wicketless in India,would you talk about him or lack of Axar Patel? Link to comment
zen Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Lord said: if Ashwin goes wicketless in India,would you talk about him or lack of Axar Patel? Of course, because if the conditions demanded playing another spinner over a pacer like India playing 3 pacers and 1 spinner instead of 1-2 pacers and 2-3 spinners Link to comment
rkt.india Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lord said: if Ashwin goes wicketless in India,would you talk about him or lack of Axar Patel? Ashwin is born and brought up in those conditions. Can't say the same about Indian pacers Link to comment
Lord Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, rkt.india said: Ashwin is born and brought up in those conditions. Can't say the same about Indian pacers conditions suit them though.They have done well on it before Link to comment
ash Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, Gollum said: 3rd day pitch. Low target, quicks aren't doing jack, haven't done jack whole test except 1st innings Shami. Lol at 'big failure'. The whole point of this thread is to make people say that Pandya should replace Jadeja. Even if Jaddu had taken a 5fer he would have spinned it somehow. Just laugh and move on Lord 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, ash said: The whole point of this thread is to make people say that Pandya should replace Jadeja. Even if Jaddu had taken a 5fer he would have spinned it somehow. Just laugh and move on if Pandya was bowling that wont be out of question but he isnt Link to comment
Gollum Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 18 hours ago, zen said: Because when you play 3 pacers in such conditions and if one of them is off color, it dents the bowling attack … Which is why you play 4 pacers as you have more chance of more of them having a good to great game, while being rotated in a way that they maintain intensity Not disputing that, though in hindsight wouldn't have made much of a difference. All our pacers were off colour. 18 hours ago, zen said: Big failure of spinners to be effective (failed to even run the game close) on the 5th/6th day Disputing this part. Neither was this a 5th/6th day pitch, nor was it some big failure. They did their best, more potent than our quicks especially yesterday. Match was lost by batsmen (and a clueless TM), can't dream of victory with <400 runs in a test match against such a good opponent. Yesterday's batting was criminal, on a bright sunny day with ball not doing much. Spineless display. Lord 1 Link to comment
zen Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gollum said: . Disputing this part. Neither was this a 5th/6th day pitch, nor was it some big failure. They did their best, more potent than our quicks especially yesterday. Match was lost by batsmen (and a clueless TM), can't dream of victory with <400 runs in a test match against such a good opponent. Yesterday's batting was criminal, on a bright sunny day with ball not doing much. Spineless display. With Ind playing 2 spinners, NZ was almost guaranteed the title either through a win or a draw even before the game began, it was bad from a strategy PoV I do not think spinners bowled well. The wkts they picked up in first inning included a #10 Wagner and Southee who was swinging his bat as he was batting with #11. Latham was a loose shot. In the second inning, spinners should have done better but NZ only lost 2 wkts Yes, batting was not good as well but this thread is on bowling. Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 All in hindsight. Jadeja was selected as a batsman who could only be a change bowler. He failed in both depts asterix 1 Link to comment
asterix Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 On spinners I’ll say it depends how best a captain utilises them and when with what field placing. So an Ashwin can get Conway with a new ball which skids straight. Unless Kohli is removed from captaincy we won’t know how spinners will perform in any conditions. In Indian conditions it’s the other way round and how a captain uses pace bowling in between long spells of spin. sorak and Lord 1 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, zen said: With Ind playing 2 spinners, NZ was almost guaranteed the title either through a win or a draw even before the game began, it was bad from a strategy PoV I do not think spinners bowled well. The wkts they picked up in first inning included a #10 Wagner and Southee who was swinging his bat as he was batting with #11. Latham was a loose shot. In the second inning, spinners should have done better but NZ only lost 2 wkts Yes, batting was not good as well but this thread is on bowling. Latham was the first wicket after our seamers were ineffective.And it wasnt loose shot.Was nicely set up. Same Southee was hitting our bowlers easily. In second innings,Ashwin picked first two but was removed after couple of hits.Also spinners never bowled in tandem.Seamers were ineffective again Seamers 105-33-268-7 Spinners 40-13-90-5 Link to comment
zen Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, Lord said: Latham was the first wicket after our seamers were ineffective.And it wasnt loose shot.Was nicely set up. Same Southee was hitting our bowlers easily. In second innings,Ashwin picked first two but was removed after couple of hits.Also spinners never bowled in tandem.Seamers were ineffective again Seamers 105-33-268-7 Spinners 40-13-90-5 All that is already taking into account including Latham playing a loose shot where he tried to chip it over Kohli. The other wkts in 1st inning which included #10 Wagner and a Southee going for big hits with #11 batting (he clubbed a 6 before getting out trying to get another big shot on. The ball hit his pads and then the stumps). In the 2nd, Latham again stepped out to get stumped. Only good wkt was Conway’s as he missed the straight one to be LBW With 3 seamers (w/ 2 of them old), they could not bowl with intensity for long, again showing where Ind missed the 4th seamer badly (already addressed) Ind is known to make strategic and tactical blunders. Link to comment
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