Bumrah’s bowling is lacking the zip

[maniac]

Something missing here. Shouldn’t be a guaranteed starter anymore.

[Sean Bradley]

Ashwin will Nick them lefties off if the fast bowlers cant do it. 

[maniac]

India has the resources now that no one and that includes even Ro and Ko or Pant shouldn’t be guarantee starters anymore. Perform or perish.

[Gollum]

Expecting a strong comeback tomorrow morning. Never write off champions. 

 

Not just Bumrah, if there is one (near) certainty about this bowling unit, it is that there will be a spirited fightback. Plenty of heart out there, except a couple tests since WTC began they have always bounced back after a poor phase of play. And in all conditions. 

Edited June 21, 2021 by Gollum

[maniac]

47 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Expecting a strong comeback tomorrow morning. Never write off champions. 

 

Not just Bumrah, if there is one (near) certainty about this bowling unit, it is that there will be a spirited fightback. Plenty of heart out there, except a couple tests since WTC began they have always bounced back after a poor phase of play. And in all conditions. 

Bumrah wasn’t among wickets in Australia or in the home series. Even IPL he was off

color. I know you don’t give a f about IPL but if an international great can’t cash out in IPL then there is an issue.

 

Not writing him off but he is out of form and has been for a while. Let’s hope for the best though.

[MechEng]

It shows how bowling the right length consistently is so hard in international cricket. Bumrah definitely does not lack any discipline for preparation, yet he is struggling with length.

 

[putrevus]

On 6/20/2021 at 9:59 AM, maniac said:

India has the resources now that no one and that includes even Ro and Ko or Pant shouldn’t be guarantee starters anymore. Perform or perish.

That is the shortest way of destroying team. It does not matter how many resources you have , core players of the team have to be given long rope.Bumrah is the core player of the team and only bowler who is guranteed starter in all the formats. You have to allow him to overcome his issues.India were 145/3 also so Bumrah still a chance to make  a comeback. He is a top class bowling talent. India does not have more Bumrahs waiting in the wing.

[cowboysfan]

I dont think Test cricket is for him with his injury history  

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

I dont think Test cricket is for him with his injury history  

 

 

What injury history ?

 

Most fast bowlers have got far more injuries than Bumrah has till age 27.

 

Check out Lillee, Thomson, Wasim, Waqar, Cummins, Starc, Rabada etc. 's injury history.

Edited June 22, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, maniac said:

Bumrah wasn’t among wickets in Australia or in the home series. Even IPL he was off

color.

 

 

Bumrah bowled excellently in IPL 2020 in September. Was the 2nd highest wicket taker or something like that.

 

After that, he bowled well in the test series in Australia 2020-21.  I think 8 catches were dropped off his bowling in the 3 tests he played ... which is unusually high. He was creating chances regularly. 

 

He has not bowled well after that.

 

I think his marriage had distracted him in the England test series and IPL 2021.

 

In this match, he has bowled well in his last 3 overs.

 

Just 8 ordinary overs does not warrant any kind of strong observation. NZ had played 2 tests just before this match and our pacers need a bit of time to acclimatize.

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by express bowling

[RajBan]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

That is the shortest way of destroying team. It does not matter how many resources you have , core players of the team have to be given long rope.Bumrah is the core player of the team and only bowler who is guranteed starter in all the formats. You have to allow him to overcome his issues.India were 145/3 also so Bumrah still a chance to make  a comeback. He is a top class bowling talent. India does not have more Bumrahs waiting in the wing.

Actually under the conditions Siraj is as good as Bumrah if not better. And he has performed every bit to get a long rope . It's a shame that Kohli did not play the bowler most suited to the conditions and who is on the best form.

[RajBan]

24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

What injury history ?

 

Most fast bowlers have got far more injuries than Bumrah has till age 27.

 

Check out Lillee, Thomson, Wasim, Waqar, Cummins, Starc, Rabada etc. 's injury history.

We can't compare Bumrah with any any of those bowlers . Bumrah has a long way to go to sit on that same bracket. 

[Praveen 06]

He is champion bowler. He will comeback strongly 

[express bowling]

40 minutes ago, RajBan said:

We can't compare Bumrah with any any of those bowlers . Bumrah has a long way to go to sit on that same bracket. 

 

We are talking about injuries till age 27 here.

 

P.s .. Cummins and Rabada are also in the middle of their careers.

[Jay]

1 hour ago, RajBan said:

We can't compare Bumrah with any any of those bowlers . Bumrah has a long way to go to sit on that same bracket. 

He is already well ahead of starc, rabada etc. He only has Cummins ahead. 

 

He Isa champion bowler. 

 

He will be back. 

 

His attitude is poor. When he fixes his mental issues, he will be back to his best. Otherwise he can quit. We have siraj, prasidh coming through. 

[Jay]

51 minutes ago, Baji-Rao said:

 

 

he's done 5 years, he needs 2 more years before we can start comparing him to indian ones like since they're all bloody crap historically 
After 4 more years from here, we can compare him to the tier of Walsh, Vaas, Bond etc
then 6 more years from today, we can then compare him to Elite tier of Waqar, Donald, Holding etc
 

Waqar was trash vs India and Australia. He also tampered with the ball 

[Jay]

1 minute ago, Baji-Rao said:

clearly you have never bothered playing club cricket in your life or you would realise a red cherry cannot be tampered significantly without a sharp or abrasive object. Pommie bandits who didnt know what reverse swing was until learning the science behind it would usual equate their inability to play as tampering. 

Dont act like we were in WG Grace or Bradman's era when this was hapenning, the 90s had all the cameras to watch and umpries of neutral countries to observe the balls conditions. If you really believe his whole career passed by without a single umpire objecting, then congratulations to you.

Moving forward "his record vs india and australia were trash' doesnt matter, when other bowlers have even worser overall records to different or same countries in comparison to him, which makes him sit high over many on the pecking order regardless. 

I dont rate bowlers who don't perform vs top sides and arch rivals. He is not a legend. He had a good peak peak 3 years and that he declined as his average would suggest. 

[Lone Wolf]

29 minutes ago, Jay said:

He is already well ahead of starc, rabada etc. He only has Cummins ahead. 

 

He Isa champion bowler. 

 

He will be back. 

 

His attitude is poor. When he fixes his mental issues, he will be back to his best. Otherwise he can quit. We have siraj, prasidh coming through. 

Not Rabada man..  He he been going through his lean patch but dude has tasted success too early for a modern pacer.  He has 200+ wickets already & is only 26 years of age. 

He is getting his form back as well.  MoTM in recent game in WI.  Seems to be getting there after the injury reduced his pace & zip. 

 

Bumrah perhaps going through same period that Rabada went through.  Let's see how he comes up through it. 

 

 

[Jay]

12 minutes ago, Baji-Rao said:

thats fine if you dont rate him and thats your choice and its respected, but it comes down to the fact cricket doesn't have many bowlers who eclipse waqar's records which is why regardless he'll pop up on top in many lists. Moreover, you're forgetting his Strike Rate. All formats combined he reigns at the top in bowling history, and Tests and ODI's alone as well individually he is only challenged by a few in the names of Steyn, Akhtar, Rabada and Marshall. I'll suggest you check this stat to see what i mean by Waqar was 'dangerous'. His bowling didn't give out the economy control like his rival Wasim, but he can definitely turn the tide quicker then him to his team's favor.


 

I believe a stat analysis regarding his wicket taking ability against quality opposition was created by some member of pakpassion. 

 

He had very poor stats in terms of picking up wickets of quality batsmen in general. 

 

Fair enough if you rate him high but to me he was a minnow basher. 

[Jay]

8 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Not Rabada man..  He he been going through his lean patch but dude has tasted success too early for a modern pacer.  He has 200+ wickets already & is only 26 years of age. 

He is getting his form back as well.  MoTM in recent game in WI.  Seems to be getting there after the injury reduced his pace & zip. 

 

Bumrah perhaps going through same period that Rabada went through.  Let's see how he comes up through it. 

 

 

That West Indies. Are we forgetting what booms did vs west indies?