Fans need to understand England approach will not work for Indian team.

[maniac]

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

@maniac- ye lo Pakistan batted with same approach

1st half with 4.5 RR and by the end they still made around 330

 

They are a team of 2nd half batsman and still. This is how rules are in favour of batsman today. We on the other hand are a team of 6n half batsman and have batting quality thats way way way higher then them...way higher and yet we bat so conservatively.  Its not some out of the box approach by england they have cracked the simple formula....its 50 overs and field settings, small grounds, flat decks,  big bats, 2 new white balls are enough reason to exploit full quota of 50 overs. U cant bat at 5 rr for 1st half when rules are so easy

Had Imam been out in the first few overs wonder how much they would have scored 

[Suhaan]

Just now, maniac said:

Had Imam been out in the first few overs wonder how much they would have scored 

Arey?what logic is this?

Hone ko toh kuch bhi ho sakta hai

[Ankit_sharma03]

54 minutes ago, maniac said:

Had Imam been out in the first few overs wonder how much they would have scored 

u think teams dont score big when they loose 1st wkt cheaply ??

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Pakistan may have reached a score which may or may not get threatened by this England side,but against a strong England this is par/within their reach,had someone at the top batted with more intent they could have reached 360-370 that would have challenged any side

This is what we want from India,they can outbat opposition with the amount of ammo we have in our arsenal,but somehow endup giving opposition a sniff

If they can with 2.5 batsman, why cant we with 6.5 batsman

[Majestic]

India can only chase this if our stat boosters bat for team and not for their stats.

 

Rohit and Kohli average 60 at 90 strike rate. In comparison, England top order average 50 only but strike at 110. This is the difference. Our two best batsman must learn to strike at 100 because they face bulk of the overs but rather they boost stats and leave the middle order and tail with 180 runs in last 20 overs.

[Serpico]

they were clearly 30-40 runs below par. even after losing 5 wickets, a c team could chase this down. this is why you don't dick around in power play

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Serpico said:

they were clearly 30-40 runs below par. even after losing 5 wickets, a c team could chase this down. this is why you don't dick around in power play

also england were batting at terrific rate , RR was always in control and all they needed was one partnership 

What others team do wrong is, they are always decide to go bang bang in the end, but while chasing teams will loose wkts most days and taking it to end means RR was nyways never in control so even if they strike one partnership they ll always be under pressure n behind RRR. Once the wkt falls , new batsman will have no time and exxtremely high RRR. 

 

When we chased down that 325 in natwest we were always in control or nearby RRR

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, Majestic said:

India can only chase this if our stat boosters bat for team and not for their stats.

 

Rohit and Kohli average 60 at 90 strike rate. In comparison, England top order average 50 only but strike at 110. This is the difference. Our two best batsman must learn to strike at 100 because they face bulk of the overs but rather they boost stats and leave the middle order and tail with 180 runs in last 20 overs.

they ll bat out 40 overs and leave dirty work for others , when others have to play where they have to hit every ball they ll eventually fail 9 out of 10 times n ppl will target them for low scores

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

also england were batting at terrific rate , RR was always in control and all they needed was one partnership 

What others team do wrong is, they are always decide to go bang bang in the end, but while chasing teams will loose wkts most days and taking it to end means RR was nyways never in control so even if they strike one partnership they ll always be under pressure n behind RRR. Once the wkt falls , new batsman will have no time and exxtremely high RRR. 

 

When we chased down that 325 in natwest we were always in control or nearby RRR

Our top order are stats boosters. They need to learn to bat to win matches not boost their stats.

[Serpico]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

also england were batting at terrific rate , RR was always in control and all they needed was one partnership 

What others team do wrong is, they are always decide to go bang bang in the end, but while chasing teams will loose wkts most days and taking it to end means RR was nyways never in control so even if they strike one partnership they ll always be under pressure n behind RRR. Once the wkt falls , new batsman will have no time and exxtremely high RRR. 

 

When we chased down that 325 in natwest we were always in control or nearby RRR

yep Ganguly gave a terrific start with 60(43). today is the 19th anniversary 

[maniac]

33 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

also england were batting at terrific rate , RR was always in control and all they needed was one partnership 

What others team do wrong is, they are always decide to go bang bang in the end, but while chasing teams will loose wkts most days and taking it to end means RR was nyways never in control so even if they strike one partnership they ll always be under pressure n behind RRR. Once the wkt falls , new batsman will have no time and exxtremely high RRR. 

 

When we chased down that 325 in natwest we were always in control or nearby RRR

While chasing India also knocks down these totals easily, forget top 3 I have seen Pandey,Jadhav etc pace their game and win big total chases. 
 

Most people’s problem is approach while batting first I think and had India got 332 against C England they would be favorites with our bowling. Sure once in a while the opposition will get better of it, they haven’t come to play Dandiya. Have they?

[Ankit_sharma03]

24 minutes ago, maniac said:

While chasing India also knocks down these totals easily, forget top 3 I have seen Pandey,Jadhav etc pace their game and win big total chases. 
 

 

and those 2 have messed it many times to

 

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Most people’s problem is approach while batting first I think and had India got 332 against C England they would be favorites with our bowling. Sure once in a while the opposition will get better of it, they haven’t come to play Dandiya. Have they?

 

Chasing n failure will go hand in hand in method, we are discussing here the plan . Most ppl problem isnt chasing or setting its wasting one half of game specially with our talent. The reason ppl have issue coz we aint champions with the kind of talent we have.

We cant ignore our chasing to - Wc game vs england or much recently India-Aus 1st Odi where dhawan was wasting a lot of balls. That every day when we batted like cowards against england while chasing in WC , that was it .

England have failed this method many time but they stick by it and it again showed today how effective this method is mathematically as they got it done with 2 overs left. That manish game ur talking went down till last over with a set batsman , here these 2 ended it who bat in tail with 2 overs left

Edited July 13, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[Jay]

3 hours ago, Majestic said:

India can only chase this if our stat boosters bat for team and not for their stats.

 

Rohit and Kohli average 60 at 90 strike rate. In comparison, England top order average 50 only but strike at 110. This is the difference. Our two best batsman must learn to strike at 100 because they face bulk of the overs but rather they boost stats and leave the middle order and tail with 180 runs in last 20 overs.

Rohit can go big when he is in the zone. He can turn it up. But the filthy individual is useless. Seriously we don't need this guy. He is holding us back. 

[Vk1]

agree.. this theory that our top order doesn't  stat pad and bat conservatively as our tail doesnt contribute is doing lot of harm for Indian cricket. 

[deepdynamo]

We have to make peace that the trio of Dhawan, Rohit and Kohli are going nowhere till WC 2023 and will also not leave the template of batting till 30 overs at 5 RPO.

 

Our only hope is that Rahul, Pant and Pandya will make it up more often than not.

 

[New guy]

OP can be translated to , - fans need to understand india won't win any big cups 

 

Even Pak won the CT when fakhar went berserk and pak scored 330+

Edited July 14, 2021 by New guy

[zen]

Usually such threads are started by Rohit fans

[Lord]

7 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

We have to make peace that the trio of Dhawan, Rohit and Kohli are going nowhere till WC 2023 and will also not leave the template of batting till 30 overs at 5 RPO.

 

Our only hope is that Rahul, Pant and Pandya will make it up more often than not.

 

 

they did bat positively in Eng series before IPL this year. In one game we got bowled out but still reached 330

[New guy]

[sage]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

just out of interest what if you do "most times conceded 300+ in odis since 2015"