Ganguly on India sitting out Old Trafford Test: The players were dead scared, you can't blame them

[putrevus]

55 minutes ago, Khota said:

This is not about which board is more powerful. This is about law and BCCI broke it.

BCCI did not break any law, they protected their players which is the right thing to do.

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

lol They have done nothing wrong here except leaving the tour on a whim. I would be pissed off if England does this in India when they lead 2-1.

When it involves small kids like players have, it is not a whim. You can be pissed off all you want , England also should pull out if they faced same scenario . No series is more important than health. 

[figo6762]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

When it involves small kids like players have, it is not a whim. You can be pissed off all you want , England also should pull out if they faced same scenario . No series is more important than health. 

 

Well then they should not be traveling with families . Because COVID can strike any one at any time . 
 

if they travel with families , they ( players and spouses ) have taken a calculated risk and have assumed the risk of exposure . 
 

By this standard , people who work in grocery stores , mass transit forget doc’s , teachers cannot go to work for the fear of COVID and exposing to the young ones at home … 

 

It’s very obvious there two sides to ICF. But people conveniently bring in reasoning  when it suits their purpose 

 

[putrevus]

9 minutes ago, figo6762 said:

 

Well then they should not be traveling with families . Because COVID can strike any one at any time . 
 

if they travel with families , they ( players and spouses ) have taken a calculated risk and have assumed the risk of exposure . 
 

By this standard , people who work in grocery stores , mass transit forget doc’s , teachers cannot go to work for the fear of COVID and exposing to the young ones at home … 

 

It’s very obvious there two sides to ICF. But people conveniently bring in reasoning  when it suits their purpose 

 

There is nothing convenient about it, the people who work in grocery stories unfortunately don't have that choice of sitting at home in other countries . They are sitting at home in USA as US govt is paying unemployment which is more than they make if they work. That is why there are businesses shutting down as they unable to find people to work.  Are the workers who are sitting at home  pampered. Some politicians who sit on their asses all day and don't have to work have called them pampered.

 

Those workers have earned the right to sit at home and collect unemployment.Samething with players they have earned the right to not to play if they feel it is too risky for their health.

 

The players are not judging you and me for working or not working, let us stop judging the players too.It is their choice and they have every right to make that choice.

[vvvslaxman]

11 hours ago, putrevus said:

When it involves small kids like players have, it is not a whim. You can be pissed off all you want , England also should pull out if they faced same scenario . No series is more important than health. 

 

They can always send them on a separate flight home. You sound like kids cannot be isolated from parents. Besides already 3 members were Tested positive. Kids were not in danger then?  Also they didn't quarantine themselves before leaving for dubai. they immediately left. All these excuses are invented by fan boys.  This is what Ganguly had to say before the tour. He said this after some of the staff members tested positive. So they know the risks.

 

 It’s physically impossible to wear mask all the time, says BCCI president Sourav Ganguly

 

Harsha bhogle already warned about this. Just that we chose to be reckless and throw temper tantrum in the end. 

 

https://www.truescoopnews.com/newsdetail/see-pics-indian-cricketers-breaking-covid-protocols-in-england

 

 

 

 

[Vilander]

Coaching staff had covid

All players could have had covid

Instead of staying and finding out if they get covid in England lol. 

They tested negative and moved out of the country to dubai where they play IPL next. 

 

Simple 2-1 victory for India. 

 

Pakistanis can cry all they want won't change facts. 

 

[figo6762]

17 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Pakistani fcuk off :) 

Try again harder .. I am not one …. Been in this forum for a long time and it’s un believable you can’t have a sensible convo . 
 

if you don’t have anything to say you don’t need to say any thing 

 

just a guy who loves game and has a different opinion ..  this is the exact attitude the Indian team showed in the 5 th test … if things don’t go your way , you don’t walk away or curse like u did .. u got to reason it out 

Edited September 15, 2021 by figo6762

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, figo6762 said:

Try again harder .. I am not one …. Been in this forum for a long time and it’s un believable you can’t have a sensible convo . 
 

if you don’t have anything to say you don’t need to say any thing 

 

just a guy who loves game and has a different opinion ..  this is the exact attitude the Indian team showed in the 5 th test … if things don’t go your way , you don’t walk away or curse like u did .. u got to reason it out 

5th test wasn't played so how things didn't go their way. No one can force them to play amidst Covid scare when anyone of them could have Covid. Covid is still a scary proposition vaccinated or not because even vaccinated have died.

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

5th test wasn't played so how things didn't go their way. No one can force them to play amidst Covid scare when anyone of them could have Covid. Covid is still a scary proposition vaccinated or not because even vaccinated have died.

 

Give them ivermectin they will all be good :)

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Give them ivermectin they will all be good :)

No matter what they were given, match still would have got cancelled.

[putrevus]

17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

They can always send them on a separate flight home. You sound like kids cannot be isolated from parents. Besides already 3 members were Tested positive. Kids were not in danger then?  Also they didn't quarantine themselves before leaving for dubai. they immediately left. All these excuses are invented by fan boys.  This is what Ganguly had to say before the tour. He said this after some of the staff members tested positive. So they know the risks.

 

 It’s physically impossible to wear mask all the time, says BCCI president Sourav Ganguly

 

Harsha bhogle already warned about this. Just that we chose to be reckless and throw temper tantrum in the end. 

 

https://www.truescoopnews.com/newsdetail/see-pics-indian-cricketers-breaking-covid-protocols-in-england

 

 

 

 

No said They did not know the risks, they are not saying they did not know the risks. They were not ready to play the test once their only physio tested positive. They have kids and family that is what any person will have and that is we speculate they were reluctant to play.

 

Fear of getting infected in good enough reason. They were not reckless or they did not do anything out of ordinary. Why is it hard for some thick skulled people to understand  is beyond me.

Edited September 15, 2021 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No said They did not know the risks, they are not saying they did not know the risks. They were not ready to play the test once their only physio tested positive. They have kids and family that is what any person will have and that is we speculate they were reluctant to play.

 

Fear of getting infected in good enough reason. They were not reckless or they did not do anything out of ordinary. Why is it hard for some thick skulled people to understand  is beyond me.

 

 

Dude. Shastri the manager went for test during the test. Results also came back during the test. So risk was no different now. Parmer catching virus didn't dramatically increase the risk 100 times. The risk was the same. Only way you can reduce the risk is by avoiding public places and when you happen to go out wearing masks , practicing social distance all the time. Indians did none of it. So the risk level never changed.  Stop coming up with bizarre contradictory arguments in an effort to back Kohli for life.

[coffee_rules]

53 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Dude. Shastri the manager went for test during the test. Results also came back during the test. So risk was no different now. Parmer catching virus didn't dramatically increase the risk 100 times. The risk was the same. Only way you can reduce the risk is by avoiding public places and when you happen to go out wearing masks , practicing social distance all the time. Indians did none of it. So the risk level never changed.  Stop coming up with bizarre contradictory arguments in an effort to back Kohli for life.

Ravi Shastri was at a safe distance, but Parmer was touching and feeling players. Giving them massages from day5 to day9. . Comparative risk is higher and naturally they were tensed and asked a two day delay. 

[goose]

do we know for sure India asked for a two day delay?

Edited September 15, 2021 by goose

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Dude. Shastri the manager went for test during the test. Results also came back during the test. So risk was no different now. Parmer catching virus didn't dramatically increase the risk 100 times. The risk was the same. Only way you can reduce the risk is by avoiding public places and when you happen to go out wearing masks , practicing social distance all the time. Indians did none of it. So the risk level never changed.  Stop coming up with bizarre contradictory arguments in an effort to back Kohli for life.

First thing I am not backing Kohli or any other player. I always want players to get maximum benefit from all the earnings. This has got nothing to do with Kohli. Again you are going round and round about the same thing. Everyone know knows the risks invloved including players. Stop bringing that up.

 

You are not understanding a simple thing, players have every right not to play if they fear they will get infected. It is that simple , if they felt Parmar getting positive is the straw the broke the camel's back so be it. Why are you having having a problem with it.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, goose said:

do we know for sure India asked for a two day delay?

 

No. I searched for it. Players wanted out. Delaying 2 days means  Match would end on  September 17th.  First IPL match is on September 19th where Bumrah/Rohit take part. I don't believe there was such a proposal. Because  as per the reports even previous night Kohli sent out an mail to BCCI regarding cancellation.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

First thing I am not backing Kohli or any other player. I always want players to get maximum benefit from all the earnings. This has got nothing to do with Kohli. Again you are going round and round about the same thing. Everyone know knows the risks invloved including players. Stop bringing that up.

 

You are not understanding a simple thing, players have every right not to play if they fear they will get infected. It is that simple , if they felt Parmar getting positive is the straw the broke the camel's back so be it. Why are you having having a problem with it.

 

 

Basically team can just quit the tour any time they want if one staff is infected?  Let me give you a hypothesis. Australia tours India. Presume they win the first Test. Some backroom staff gets infected after first test.  Are you okay with them leaving the tour with a series win of 1-0? Give me an honest answer.

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Basically team can just quit the tour any time they want if one staff is infected?  Let me give you a hypothesis. Australia tours India. Presume they win the first Test. Some backroom staff gets infected after first test.  Are you okay with them leaving the tour with a series win of 1-0? Give me an honest answer.

Sorry, but Indian team is not some unemployed basketcase like Windies/Pak who are free to sit around for extra quarantine periods.  They have other pre-existing commitments that need to be honored as well.  Covid infection is an unambiguously valid reason for postponing or cancelling a test match.  No matter how much you try to spin your personal disappointment.

[putrevus]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Basically team can just quit the tour any time they want if one staff is infected?  Let me give you a hypothesis. Australia tours India. Presume they win the first Test. Some backroom staff gets infected after first test.  Are you okay with them leaving the tour with a series win of 1-0? Give me an honest answer.

Who said that they cannot quit. Players are playing the game if they don't feel safe  no one in the world has right to say otherwise.

 

Yes I would be perfectly okay if Aussies leave the tour leading 1-0 and awarding them the series, if they feel they are not safe. Players have to feel safe to play the game if they don't feel safe nothing else matters.

 

No player worth their salt will leave any competition under false pretense. 

[goose]

the other thing that crossed my mind is Kohli might simply have made an impulsive judgement call and regretted it hours later. i have nightmares of Kohli consulting his shush mate Siraj.

Edited September 15, 2021 by goose