Would you take Rizwan or Pant?

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, mishra said:

What sort of comparison is this. Pant has some solid overseas trips and innings in tests. I don’t recall any Pakistani player apart from Babar having such inning.So Couple of t20 innings is not going to change anything.

 

Also India plays way too much cricket compared to anyone. If any of these Pakistani players even play 70% of matches Indian cricketers play, considering the facility PCB has , they won’t even last couple of years.

 

Rizwan probably would do well on these sluggish pitches.  May suck outside this part of the world. If Pant had faced as an opener against Bhuvi and SHami lol He would have had a night out as well. But Pant has to bat deep if he comes down the order especially when he comes in early. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Well for one thing keep yourself busy with singles prevent you from getting stuck at one end. Getting stuck one end is one reason why Pant throws his wicket away. It is not that complicated. Since you say Pant has higher ceiling, shouldn't he be improving in all areas including rotating the strike?  I am not going to pick Rizwan over Pant. Pant opening the batting is the best way to get the best out of him. Who knows he may turn out to be like Bairstow, Roy, Rohit.  High risk players should be sent up the order to get the best out. Even they get out it is just one wicket. 

 

Dude, so you will take 38*(34) and 33(34) played under far less pressure over 39(30) coming in at 20/3!

 

And no Pant shouldn't open. We have suffered since Dhoni-Yuvraj declined as finishers. Best to groom him as he has the game needed to become one. Already showed that in England ODIs earlier (albeit in pattas), soon will start doing that in T20s as well 

[johncena97]

completely different batsmen...ideally you would want both of them in your team.

[mishra]

19 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Rizwan probably would do well on these sluggish pitches.  May suck outside this part of the world. If Pant had faced as an opener against Bhuvi and SHami lol He would have had a night out as well. But Pant has to bat deep if he comes down the order especially when he comes in early. 

In whiteball cricket, everyone wants to bat in top 3 or top 4 because thats where you have got time to settle.  I don’t rate any Pak batsman. This is same team which lost whole series to England B team. Just few months back. This t20wc is home series for Afghanistan and Pakistan. Good cricket they are playing but nothing which will catch the imagination 

Edited October 27, 2021 by mishra

[johncena97]

4 minutes ago, mishra said:

In whiteball cricket, everyone wants to bat in top 3 or top 4 because thats where you have got time to settle.  I don’t rate any Pak batsman. This is same team which lost to England B team. This t20wc is home series for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

harsh

[mishra]

43 minutes ago, johncena97 said:

harsh

May be Babar Azam. But as i said, forget India, even if these Pakistani players play 60-70% level of cricket as England or Aussies, all their weaknesses, fitnesses and form will be found out.

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

What sort of comparison is this. Pant has some solid overseas trips and innings in tests. I don’t recall any Pakistani player apart from Babar having such inning.So Couple of t20 innings is not going to change anything.

 

Also India plays way too much cricket compared to anyone. If any of these Pakistani players even play 70% of matches Indian cricketers play, considering the facility PCB has , they won’t even last couple of years.

Rizwan has outperformed Babar in all overseas tours they played together. 

[Adamant]

Pant is on a completely different level, he is basically like Gohan from dragon ball z, the day he realises his potential (which will definitely happen) everyone here will be amazed. 

Rizwan is in his peak years, it's unfair to compare their returns at this time. 

As of now I can say these two will end up as top 2 wicketkeeper batsman for subcontinent. 

 

[asterix]

Rizwan any day because he’s more Jazbaa & Junoon. Also he’s able to do Namaz on field very quickly during a short break. He doesn’t has to get his pads off and can bend, kneel and standup which means he’s super fit.

 

Can Pant do Yoga (with his gears on) and lead an Aarti for his team (the team really needs some Devine help) without PANTing & puffing during a drinks break? If he can then I can think of him…

Edited October 27, 2021 by asterix

[mishra]

BC, who is this @Indwin . Trollvoting me on a topic where he hasn’t even put a single comment. 

[Singh bling]

9 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Sorry, did you watch the England ODIs in India?

 

BTW what exactly has Rizwan done in ODIs?

Apart from South Asian teams do any team care about meaningless odi series. In second odi apart from stokes England had Topley and Curran brothers as pacers. That was joke of bowling attack. 

[Try_Ball]

Some arguments in favor of Pant are fair but some  I'd disagree with.

1.  Let alone Sharma , Kohli, KL aside -  Even Dhawan/Shreyas/Ishan  would be chosen over Pant to open the innings with  -  I am not even counting  Venkatesh Iyer/ Gaikwad and other IPL folks ,  Pant would not be chosen to open the innings -  Does that say anything about his batting skills ?    Quite possibly even TM doesn't believe that Pant can deliver when opening.
2.  People who say opening the innings in White ball cricket is easier - I'd disagree with that - Don't think that's necessarily true.   As an opener it is critical to have good footwork and players even like Sharma who can often be lazy when opening the innings are often bowled , LBW and fail within the first few balls ,  Sehwag for all his talent couldn't be a great in the game because of his poor footwork at times - Pant's footwork remains dicey at best as well  - How successful could he possibly be when opening against bowlers like Boult / Afridi/  Starc etc 
3. For all the talk about T20 over Australia Test series etc   - Don't think anyone is comparing formats here T20 vs Test matches etc.   This is about Pant's batting skills overall - regardless of the format -  How steady and dependable does Pant look?  Not much at all.   Everyone is nervous when Pant comes out to bat -  quite a stark contrast when compared to MSD - both are match winners -  MSD brings a sense of dependability/ stability whereas Pant more often than not looks like a walking wicket.
4. His much acclaimed ceiling  -    What a "ceiling" for a player is pretty subjective and cannot be used to mask a players inability to apply himself -  Pant won the Australia Series and that was great - but until when does he gets the free "ceiling sticker" to use and continue to play stupid shots and give it away just because he has a higher "ceiling"  ?  What good is this ceiling when you cannot apply yourself?   It's fair to say any players who makes it to the national team does have a high ceiling - From Irfan Pathan/Rayudu etc , but all the skill/ ceiling is useless if you cannot apply yourself or harness it.   There is a time when you have to prove yourself on a consistent basis rather than carry a free "Ceiling" pass .
5.  Rizwan isn't as explosive as Pant and might be more of an accumulator but does show the abiity to accelerate - Pant with a higher SR and explosiveness shows high instability and poor ability to rotate strike and stay on the crease.  What would people prefer -      Have a Rizwan-esque player who gives you  5 or 6  - 30+ scores in 10 innings   vs    Pant  - who gives you 1 or 2  - 50 + scores in 10 innings 

Edited October 28, 2021 by Try_Ball

[Singh bling]

On 10/27/2021 at 2:07 PM, dilliboy said:

Pant is anything but a choker..probably the most clutch player we have. Match winning innings in deciding test matches along with a great record in IPL knockouts. 

Clutch player played 18 balls 12 runs in another must win game

[Try_Ball]

Like I said fellas 

What was the point of Playing Pant ?

 

Ishan / Rahul can be behind the stumps  -  Should have played Surya for Pant 

Pant is afridi - not MSD -   the sooner we realize that - cricketing brain cannot be taught - for all his skills  -  Pant has a cricketing brain of a 10 yr old 

[dilliboy]

Lol people blaming him when the top other failed miserably again..average innings how is he supposed to hit freely when the top order has collapsed again

[Vijy]

Pant over Rizwan in Tests: yes, he has slightly lower avg, but the kind of clutch knocks he played both in Ind and abroad matter greatly (Rizwan is better keeper)

Pant over Rizwan in ODIs: Rizwan is quite a defensive player in ODIs, whereas Pant in the last 5-10 ODIs has shown greater consistency at high SR

Rizwan convincingly over Pant in T20s: Pant could be a better T20 player, but his position is not properly identified, and his mindset has been very confused as well.

[Kothili]

After this ICC tournament, it is clear who is useless.

[Kothili]

58 minutes ago, dilliboy said:

Lol people blaming him when the top other failed miserably again..average innings how is he supposed to hit freely when the top order has collapsed again

This is a T20 game. Wake up.

[cricketfan28]

Pant 

[speedheat]

No way this hack pant is better than Rizwan in Lois.