Deepak chahar should be an automatic choice in playing XI in one dayers

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Chahar isn't an allrounder, he is a Pravin Kumar level batsman who can play some clutch innings. 

 

nhin re, as batsman he is far better then praveen.........PK was a lappebaaz . Jis din laga to laga

Chahar has some qualities as batsman n he is kind of a fighter so ull se more such knocks from him.

 

In terms of batting ability 

 

1. Thakur
2. Chahar
3. Bhuvi (in white ball at 3, in test will go at 2)
4. PK

 

Even Harshal has got very decent batting ability n they all are good to bat at 8, thakur can got at 7 against certain kind of attacks or with improvement baaki anyone thinking of making them replacing pandya the batsman shud immediately trash that thought

 

[Adamant]

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

nhin re, as batsman he is far better then praveen.........PK was a lappebaaz . Jis din laga to laga

Chahar has some qualities as batsman n he is kind of a fighter so ull se more such knocks from him.

 

In terms of batting ability 

 

1. Thakur
2. Chahar
3. Bhuvi (in white ball at 3, in test will go at 2)
4. PK

 

Even Harshal has got very decent batting ability n they all are good to bat at 8, thakur can got at 7 against certain kind of attacks or with improvement baaki anyone thinking of making them replacing pandya the batsman shud immediately trash that thought

 

I have seen Pravin Kumar and I think you are underselling him. 

 

He averages more than Chahar in both furst class and List A and that too at a significantly better strike rate. 

 

Chahar has played 2 really good innings recently when he got the chance (vs Sa and vs Sl) but I think people are expecting too much from him just bcoz of these 2 innings. 

Also he has scored a total of 79 runs in IPL, he is not an allrounder in any manner. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Adamant

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, Adamant said:

I have seen Pravin Kumar and I think you are underselling him. 

 

He averages more than Chahar in both furst class and List A and that too at a significantly better strike rate. 

 

Fc avg anyways shudnt be taken srsly

Also s/r high hoga, he is a lappebaaz he wont wait around he slog or get out. Chahar will grind out if needed, chahar power game is better then bk but not pk, thakur or harshal but as overall batsman he was better then PK for sure

 

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Chahar has played 2 really good innings recently when he got the chance (vs Sa and vs Sl) but I think people are expecting too much from him just bcoz of these 2 innings. 

thats desperation for an all rounder, ppl want to find an all rounder in anyone

remeber their was a thread of iyer as 6th bowler, coz we lack 6th bowler so ppl want to find answers from somewhere . That desperation always leads to wrong answers. 

Im sure harshal will also play few blinders n ppl will call him all rounder (save this it will happen for sure, ull see him being hyped as better then pandya or thakur )

 

Reality is thakur, chahar, harshal all are bowlers who can bat , they ll all play few knock on their day and ppl will jizz. Guys like Zak, bhajji also played some good knocks

IF we had rabadaa cummins fir to pata nhin kya hota , coz they also have very decent batting ability 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Adamant]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Reality is thakur, chahar, harshal all are bowlers who can bat , they ll all play few knock on their day and ppl will jizz. Guys like Zak, bhajji also played some good knocks

I think amongst them Shardul can qualify as a proper bowling allrounder, rest all are bowlers who can bat a bit. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Adamant said:

I think amongst them Shardul can qualify as a proper bowling allrounder, rest all are bowlers who can bat a bit. 

he is very good option at 8 but his bowling is just good when 

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

in LOIs

Thakur as bowler- needs longer grounds (like australia ) spungy pitches ( like UAE) or extra pace n bounce, that where he is very handy as bowler.

U give him flat deck, small grounds....he ll leak leak n leak . That his why his eco is so so so high 

 

 

unfortunately we dnt have a guy who adds edge with ball in almost all conditions n can bat 

[Pollack]

27 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Also he has scored a total of 79 runs in IPL, he is not an allrounder in any manner. 

Shardul has scored 53 runs in IPL, lesser than Deepak Chahar 79 runs at much lesser SR of  112.8 as compared to Deepak Chahar SR138.6

 

Their List A and First class batting stats are almost similar.. infact Chahar has slightly batting average.Thakur has played a few good innings in Tests but Chahar hasn't played any tests at all so we cannot compare in tests.

 

How is Shardul much much better batsman than Chahar? Both haven't played much to make such a confident statement. 

 

Neither Shardul nor Chahar are allrounders.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Pollack

[express bowling]

Deepak's main discipline ... bowling ... is below par except his first 2 overs. 

 

All these bits and pieces players can only be stop gap arrangements till a pacer who can bat is found.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Deepak's main discipline ... bowling ... is below par except his first 2 overs. 

 

All these bits and pieces players can only be stop gap arrangements till a pacer who can bat is found.

He is a decent death bowler too. Much better than shardul

[express bowling]

38 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He is a decent death bowler too. Much better than shardul

 

None of them are good enough.

 

Death bowling, dependant primarily on slower balls, lasts till the novelty factor lasts. 

 

A combination of attacking quick yorkers, defensive yorkers, hard length balls, quick bouncers and slower balls is needed.

Edited February 6, 2022 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

None of them are good enough.

 

Death bowling, dependant primarily on slower balls, lasts till the novelty factor lasts. 

 

A combination of attacking quick yorkers, defensive yorkers, hard length balls, quick bouncers and slower balls is needed.

Chahar does bowl Yorkers, variety of slower balls. If they have to play one of shardul/chahar, should play Chahar who is a better bowler as a third seamer, can at least be effective with new ball.

[rkt.india]

43 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

 

He offers nothing. Even his upfront swing at 120 clicks will bomb when he plays the big boys in big tournaments. His List A record screams his absolute lack of ability if people are willing to pay attention.

 

Pay attention to his career trend instead of his performance here and there to extrapolate. Trend is your friend.

He bowls around 135, not 120. And my post is comparing Shardul and Thakur. If they have to play one of the two then play Chahar.

[Majestic]

In LOIs, Deepak is comfortably the best option India have at no.8. You cannot afford to pick 4 tailenders.

 

Modern ODI cricket don't allow that. DC is a wicket taker, a very good ball striker as well as a capable finisher under pressure down the order.

 

The simple standard protocol of picking XI is balance.

 

a)Two genuine pacers who bowl close to 140.

 

Options available- Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh, Shami

 

b)One seam bowling A/R.

 

Options - Deepak Chahar, Shardul Thakur.

 

That's your three pacers and in India, you can do with three other spin options if Pandya is unavailable.

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

In place of Shardul.

I am a huge Thakur fan, but I must agree with this.  Thakur should not be an automatic choice.  Competition is always good.  Thakur and D. Chahar are similar players (swing bowlers with excellent lower-order hitting skills) and must push each other.  

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Deepak's main discipline ... bowling ... is below par except his first 2 overs. 

 

All these bits and pieces players can only be stop gap arrangements till a pacer who can bat is found.

... or the one pacer who can bat really well, i.e. H Pandya, can just stop being injured so much.  

[rkt.india]

13 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

If the medium term goal is WC'23, then the search of a pacer who can bat or a fast bowling AR is unnecessary.

 

The tournament is in India. We need batsmen who can bowl spin, like Yuvi and Raina and Sachin and Sehwag in 2011. Since we don't have batsmen who can bowl, we should look for spin AR. And thankfully we have a bucketload of them. Sundar, Axar, and even Jaddu and possibly Hooda are the perfect cattle to work with.

 

Secondly, we would be playing at home in India. Our batsmen own bowling attacks with their eyes closed and if they need the extra padding of a pacer who can also bat at number 8, then shame on them. You've lost it before the tournament even begins.

 

The winning combination for India at home should be batsmen from 1-6; spin AR at 7 and 8; 3 quicks

 

 

We would still need three frontline quicks especially with dew affecting the games. 

[Majestic]

14 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

If the medium term goal is WC'23, then the search of a pacer who can bat or a fast bowling AR is unnecessary.

 

The tournament is in India. We need batsmen who can bowl spin, like Yuvi and Raina and Sachin and Sehwag in 2011. Since we don't have batsmen who can bowl, we should look for spin AR. And thankfully we have a bucketload of them. Sundar, Axar, and even Jaddu and possibly Hooda are the perfect cattle to work with.

 

Secondly, we would be playing at home in India. Our batsmen own bowling attacks with their eyes closed and if they need the extra padding of a pacer who can also bat at number 8, then shame on them. You've lost it before the tournament even begins.

 

The winning combination for India at home should be batsmen from 1-6; spin AR at 7 and 8; 3 quicks

 

 

We do not have spin all rounders to bat at 7 and 8. Jadeja and Axar are similar type bowlers so they won't play together.

 

Axar and Sundar is a poor choice for those two spots as you need a better striker of the bowl and their IPL strike rates over last two years are poor which suggests there is a lot of scope for improvement in hitting skills for them.

 

Rest of the guys like Ashwin, Kulcha and Rahul etc are not competent no.8.  This means India have to look for better batting/hitting options and that is where Deepak Chahar and Shardul come in discussion. These two are the only legitimate choices for that spot and Deepak is a better LOI bowler than Shardul so should be given a regular run as he has performed in limited chances itself.

[Lord]

23 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

If the medium term goal is WC'23, then the search of a pacer who can bat or a fast bowling AR is unnecessary.

 

The tournament is in India. We need batsmen who can bowl spin, like Yuvi and Raina and Sachin and Sehwag in 2011. Since we don't have batsmen who can bowl, we should look for spin AR. And thankfully we have a bucketload of them. Sundar, Axar, and even Jaddu and possibly Hooda are the perfect cattle to work with.

 

Secondly, we would be playing at home in India. Our batsmen own bowling attacks with their eyes closed and if they need the extra padding of a pacer who can also bat at number 8, then shame on them. You've lost it before the tournament even begins.

 

The winning combination for India at home should be batsmen from 1-6; spin AR at 7 and 8; 3 quicks

 

 

 

need a genuine spinner atleast,preferrably a leggie.

 

That means 3rd pace has to bat at 7-8

[Majestic]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

I have seen Pravin Kumar and I think you are underselling him. 

 

He averages more than Chahar in both furst class and List A and that too at a significantly better strike rate. 

 

Chahar has played 2 really good innings recently when he got the chance (vs Sa and vs Sl) but I think people are expecting too much from him just bcoz of these 2 innings. 

Also he has scored a total of 79 runs in IPL, he is not an allrounder in any manner. 

For a no.8 in ODIs, two scores of 60 in such limited chances is already more than enough to deserve a consistent run. Obviously he is not seen as a top 6 batsman so 50s regularly won't come. 6-7 fifties in 100 ODI matches is good enough for a no.7. DC has two fifties in like 4-5 ODI innings he batted.

 

Guys like Sundar and Axar don't have a fifty in any limited overs format- ODI, T20 or IPL. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Majestic

[AKane]

Thakur has lost a lot of pace over the last year. At his height of 5-7 odd he needs pace.

 

For the sake of improving his supposed batting skills - he seems to have lost his bowling skills.

 

On his way to Irfan Pathan II. Don't know who is advising Thakur.,.....

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We would still need three frontline quicks especially with dew affecting the games. 

 

 

@sarchasm is advocating 3 specialist quicks + 2 Spinner ARs.

 

And I agree with him.