Sachin vs Kohli after 99 Tests

[putrevus]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

It is not easy to be a steady eddy. Point is not how they contribute to victory. Also it is totally unfair to say Tendulkar didn't play any part in overseas wins.  You can use any filter you want.  Dravid/Tendulkar/Laxman all three played their part in wins overseas. Dravid probably has the better performances.  Laxman not so much against pakistan. But we had Sehwag in subcontinent.  But in moving conditions, bouncy conditions these 3 were key players with occasional help from Gambhir.  

 

Also you are completely missing the point about innings of 241. Parthiv latching on to tired bowlers after they were  burnt to the ground won't make his innings better tahn Sachin's. Sachin was going through a bad patch repeatedly getting out in the same fashion. So he cut out shots through one side and played predominantly through on side. You really think that is an easier thing to do forgetting muscle memory? 

Tendulkar had support in every place he played.Sehwag might be the best batsman in subcontinent ever.'Tendulkar to me was always a stat padder and compiler rather than a match winner.When you play 200 tests, some of your knocks will be in winning causes too.

 

I am not missing the point in 241 innings at all.Yes he was going thru rough patch but after you score 100 or 150, you need to start looking to increase scoring rate to help your team win.That was a pathethic bowling attack on a flat pitch other than Gillespse there was no one there.The very next innings he did the same nonsense in that 194 not out knock,glad Dravid declared the innings before this guy reached another meaningless milestone.

 

Kohli had to take India over the hump in 2019 semis to be more clutch than Tendulkar but he flopped big time.He flopped again in ICC test championship to seal his place in special mental midget category.

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Tendulkar had support in every place he played.Sehwag might be the best batsman in subcontinent ever.'Tendulkar to me was always a stat padder and compiler rather than a match winner.When you play 200 tests, some of your knocks will be in winning causes too.

 

I am not missing the point in 241 innings at all.Yes he was going thru rough patch but after you score 100 or 150, you need to start looking to increase scoring rate to help your team win.That was a pathethic bowling attack on a flat pitch other than Gillespse there was no one there.The very next innings he did the same nonsense in that 194 not out knock,glad Dravid declared the innings before this guy reached another meaningless milestone.

 

Kohli had to take India over the hump in 2019 semis to be more clutch than Tendulkar but he flopped big time.He flopped again in ICC test championship to seal his place in special mental midget category.

 

Tendulkar from 2000 was in Sunil Gavaskar mode.  But upto 2000 he was very aggressive in both formats. On a minefield of  a pitch at Eden Gardens , Tendulkar was the only one who looked comfortable.  He could have averages 70 plus in the 1980s given his form. But his over aggression often led to soft dismissal. Especially against Australia Sachin was always aggressive. Strike rate around 60 or something.  Post 2000 he had a bumpy career. I would gladly take a selfish 241 from Kohli at this point. Can he do it?   He gets out cheaply on pitches where tail enders make runs easily. If he doesn't find another peak he will be treated like just another good batsman. At this rate he could end up with average below 50.

[Vijy]

On 3/10/2022 at 5:47 PM, vvvslaxman said:

 

Tendulkar from 2000 was in Sunil Gavaskar mode.  But upto 2000 he was very aggressive in both formats. On a minefield of  a pitch at Eden Gardens , Tendulkar was the only one who looked comfortable.  He could have averages 70 plus in the 1980s given his form. But his over aggression often led to soft dismissal. Especially against Australia Sachin was always aggressive. Strike rate around 60 or something.  Post 2000 he had a bumpy career. I would gladly take a selfish 241 from Kohli at this point. Can he do it?   He gets out cheaply on pitches where tail enders make runs easily. If he doesn't find another peak he will be treated like just another good batsman. At this rate he could end up with average below 50.

just needs a few more innings to get to this new "milestone"

[Lord]

17 hours ago, Vijy said:

just needs a few more innings to get to this new "milestone"

hes already below 50 now

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, Lord said:

hes already below 50 now

yep, already here and trending downward. next "goal" should be to go below sehwag, and then vijay hazare/merchant.

[rtmohanlal]

no comparison .... I had always maintained that it is not at all easy to maintain prolonged consistency. That is were Sachin was  in a league of his own..

To have a phase of 13588 runs with an avg: of  59.41  and away avg: of almost 62 that too with a least avg: of 44.67 in any single country is some thing phenomenal .

Kohli is literally no where near SRT . He is  struggling to maintain a 50 average even at 8000 run  milestone. Imagine his  average if he lasted 13588 runs!!!!!! 

[Vijy]

19 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

no comparison .... I had always maintained that it is not at all easy to maintain prolonged consistency. That is were Sachin was  in a league of his own..

To have a phase of 13588 runs with an avg: of  59.41  and away avg: of almost 62 that too with a least avg: of 44.67 in any single country is some thing phenomenal .

Kohli is literally no where near SRT . He is  struggling to maintain a 50 average even at 8000 run  milestone. Imagine his  average if he lasted 13588 runs!!!!!! 

I would like to see Brat play until he gets to 10K runs. by then, his avg may be approaching Azhar levels.

[vvvslaxman]

On 3/16/2022 at 5:21 PM, rtmohanlal said:

no comparison .... I had always maintained that it is not at all easy to maintain prolonged consistency. That is were Sachin was  in a league of his own..

To have a phase of 13588 runs with an avg: of  59.41  and away avg: of almost 62 that too with a least avg: of 44.67 in any single country is some thing phenomenal .

Kohli is literally no where near SRT . He is  struggling to maintain a 50 average even at 8000 run  milestone. Imagine his  average if he lasted 13588 runs!!!!!! 

 

True. Just because someone is selfish he is not going to make runs forever. Even with a selfish cricket i don't think Kohli cannot make runs without fixing his technique or magically regaining reflexes.

[kohli]

On 3/17/2022 at 2:40 AM, Vijy said:

I would like to see Brat play until he gets to 10K runs. by then, his avg may be approaching Azhar levels.

Why u hate him? 

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, kohli said:

Why u hate him? 

I don't hate him.... I just want to see him play for years and years; surely all the kohli fanbois would want that too

[sage]

Just came across this, wonder who put his name on here

Stat padding - Wikipedia

[Vijy]

23 hours ago, sage said:

Just came across this, wonder who put his name on here

Stat padding - Wikipedia

some of 'ol ICF posters have vanished/retired, but they would have been prime candidates :D

[sage]

What an odd list, Bruno Fernandes and Sachin 

[Vilander]

On 3/10/2022 at 1:45 PM, putrevus said:

Kohli had to take India over the hump in 2019 semis to be more clutch than Tendulkar but he flopped big time.He flopped again in ICC test championship to seal his place in special mental midget category.

[Vilander]

On 4/5/2022 at 12:00 PM, sage said:

Just came across this, wonder who put his name on here

Stat padding - Wikipedia

Notable players accused of 'stat padding'

Association football

• Bruno Fernandes (born 1994), Portuguese international footballer^[1]

Cricket

Sachin Tendulkar, Indian professional cricketer and Bharat Ratna award winner has been accused of stat padding.

 

 

 

Mfrs this is some funny ****... 

 

 

[putrevus]

On 3/10/2022 at 5:47 PM, vvvslaxman said:

 

Tendulkar from 2000 was in Sunil Gavaskar mode.  But upto 2000 he was very aggressive in both formats. On a minefield of  a pitch at Eden Gardens , Tendulkar was the only one who looked comfortable.  He could have averages 70 plus in the 1980s given his form. But his over aggression often led to soft dismissal. Especially against Australia Sachin was always aggressive. Strike rate around 60 or something.  Post 2000 he had a bumpy career. I would gladly take a selfish 241 from Kohli at this point. Can he do it?   He gets out cheaply on pitches where tail enders make runs easily. If he doesn't find another peak he will be treated like just another good batsman. At this rate he could end up with average below 50.

People tend to forget Tendulkar played more after 2000 than before 2000. Tendulkar never did anything great in any format before 2000. Did he play any great bowling attack and scored 500 plus runs in series.His team had 125 to win a series in WI in 1997 but he came up short there.He never played Wasim and Waqar  their prime.Nor did he play Ambrose and Walsh together,

 

Perth 100 which is made to be a superlative knock by his moronic fans ..It was great knock for 17 year old but it was not a greatest knock by any measurement.It was not even the highest knock in that match.Kohli's Perth knock was better and came against far better bowling attack.

 

Will Kohli have a second inning like Tendulkar is still unknown. But both at their best Kohli is miles ahead any day in any format. Odis it is not even a contest.Kohli is best odi batsman.

 

Lara at his best was always better than Tendulkar at his best.

 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by putrevus

[Jay]

So peak kohli > peak tenda. But prime tenda > kohli overall due to consistency. Allegedly according to kohli fans. 

 

Kohli played with absolute morons like rahane who was a fraud. We had no good openers for sena. Maybe current rohit. Thats it. Fatty is getting old though. I don't believe he is 34 anyway. 

More like 37. 

 

So basically it was prime pujara who was an absolute monster in Asia, Australia. Sucked in n.z and s.africa though. 

 

Basically 2 good batsmen. Well there is pantttttyyyy. So 3 good batsmen but kohli declined by the time panty came into his groove. 

 

Tenda had more support definitely in batting but bowling ? Tenda had average bowlers to support him. 

 

Kohli had indias best ever attack and also Asia's greatest ever attack of all time. 2015-2022 ranked number 1 bowling attack. 

 

So imo kohli failed. 

 

In conclusion tendu is greater and better than kohli even in his peak. Btw I hate both. Just saying. I hate tenda more actually. So no bias. I am never biased.

[vvvslaxman]

41 minutes ago, putrevus said:

People tend to forget Tendulkar played more after 2000 than before 2000. Tendulkar never did anything great in any format before 2000. Did he play any great bowling attack and scored 500 plus runs in series.His team had 125 to win a series in WI in 1997 but he came up short there.He never played Wasim and Waqar  their prime.Nor did he play Ambrose and Walsh together,

 

Perth 100 which is made to be a superlative knock by his moronic fans ..It was great knock for 17 year old but it was not a greatest knock by any measurement.It was not even the highest knock in that match.Kohli's Perth knock was better and came against far better bowling attack.

 

Will Kohli have a second inning like Tendulkar is still unknown. But both at their best Kohli is miles ahead any day in any format. Odis it is not even a contest.Kohli is best odi batsman.

 

Lara at his best was always better than Tendulkar at his best.

 

 

 

 

No way Kohli is better. He has far too many technical holes. He got away for a small window of three years due to his superlative reflexes. Outside that window he was average. He was even dropped right after his debut something Tendulkar never had to go through as he became undroppable immediately.   He didn't face an array of bowlers in tests over a lengthy period. Forget about 2 decades even within a decade his window is too narrow. Many guys have done that before.  In the 90s he was more commanding than Kohli will ever be. He could literally pull full length balls. Back in the days keeper used to stand way behind the stumps, Perth was a genuinely fast pitch. Kohli played in an era where Australia's strategy was rolling out flat decks and outbatting the opponents. Heck even Rahane made runs in some of the series.  Tendulkar didn't have enough tests in the 90s because India played more ODIs. If Kohli continues his form he will get very close to Rahane level.

[Jay]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

No way Kohli is better. He has far too many technical holes. He got away for a small window of three years due to his superlative reflexes. Outside that window he was average. He was even dropped right after his debut something Tendulkar never had to go through as he became undroppable immediately.   He didn't face an array of bowlers in tests over a lengthy period. Forget about 2 decades even within a decade his window is too narrow. Many guys have done that before.  In the 90s he was more commanding than Kohli will ever be. He could literally pull full length balls. Back in the days keeper used to stand way behind the stumps, Perth was a genuinely fast pitch. Kohli played in an era where Australia's strategy was rolling out flat decks and outbatting the opponents. Heck even Rahane made runs in some of the series.  Tendulkar didn't have enough tests in the 90s because India played more ODIs. If Kohli continues his form he will get very close to Rahane level.

Forget about that. Even in that England 2018 series at his absolute peak, he was dropped 3 times in that series. He cashed in and scored big. 

 

Even in mcg vs Aussies in 2014 15 series, he was dropped twice off Johnsons over on 60 and 91. He ended up scoring 140 something. 

 

The one series where he showed exemplary skill imo was vs engladn in India 2016. That was emphatic. 

 

Also 2018 s Africa series. Those 2 were his best ever achievements imo. Brilliant batting. 

 

In saying yhat midget is also vastly overrated. Probably better than kohli but still overrated. Never helped us win in any major series in sena. Yea I get it, we had a weak bowling unit at the time. But what happened with fab 4? 

 

Even vs pakistan we drew once at home in 2006 or something. 

We often dint even dominate at home. We won games sure, but we had a few draws too. 

Edited April 14, 2022 by Jay

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Forget about that. Even in that England 2018 series at his absolute peak, he was dropped 3 times in that series. He cashed in and scored big. 

 

Even in mcg vs Aussies in 2014 15 series, he was dropped twice off Johnsons over on 60 and 91. He ended up scoring 140 something. 

 

The one series where he showed exemplary skill imo was vs engladn in India 2016. That was emphatic. 

 

Also 2018 s Africa series. Those 2 were his best ever achievements imo. Brilliant batting. 

 

That off stump channel weakness was always there. Just that he managed to get away with let offs or  found another way to negotiate. That too only for brief period. If this guy had faced Mcgrath who was king of off stump channel specialist in the history of the game, he would have been devoured in every single encounter.

Edited April 14, 2022 by vvvslaxman