maniac Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Looks tired and a shell of himself. Blunt spearhead. Give him some time off. DarkProfile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 He seems disinterested. I don't mind it, he should not give full effort in these games, just bowl your spells, play matches and complete the season. No reason to push yourself too much. He already has won IPL trophies so nothing to bother about here. Focus on internationals, he is part of all formats and that is more important for him. express bowling, rollingstoned and nitinbwj 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Majestic said: He seems disinterested. I don't mind it, he should not give full effort in these games, just bowl your spells, play matches and complete the season. No reason to push yourself too much. He already has won IPL trophies so nothing to bother about here. Focus on internationals, he is part of all formats and that is more important for him. Being disinterested is not an excuse. He isn’t doing this for free. He should ask for a break then. Don’t think MI management will be that ruthless and still play him. nitinbwj and Cricspin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kothili Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Abysmal 40 SR for Bumrah this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, maniac said: Being disinterested is not an excuse. He isn’t doing this for free. He should ask for a break then. Don’t think MI management will be that ruthless and still play him. Why would he take break? He is getting money, he will bowl like that. If Ambani has problem, then go ahead and drop him. Bumrah hasn't stopped anyone from dropping him. He will play like this for two months, get the check and save energy for international matches. If anyone has problems, drop him if you can. It does not have any effect to his legacy. He is still an IPL trophy winner and one of the first names to be picked in any Indian T20 team. He is doing right thing in my opinion, same as what Rohit and Kohli do. Edited April 21, 2022 by Majestic f20143g70 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, maniac said: Being disinterested is not an excuse. He isn’t doing this for free. He should ask for a break then. Don’t think MI management will be that ruthless and still play him. Exactly if anything all these frauds should be technically playing at their absolute peak level since they get paid millions for a 2 month season. I mean if he is disinterested or tired then opt out. I guess he has been a champion in the past for them so he gets some leeway. They should bench him but they won't. Stupid seniority and favouritism culture in India won't allow him to be dropped. DarkProfile, maniac and nitinbwj 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Exactly if anything all these frauds should be technically playing at their absolute peak level since they get paid millions for a 2 month season. I mean if he is disinterested or tired then opt out. I guess he has been a champion in the past for them so he gets some leeway. They should bench him but they won't. Stupid seniority and favouritism culture in India won't allow him to be dropped. So, playing for franchise is bigger than playing for country because they get paid higher in franchises? Sure, next time don't blame IPL when these guys fail in a World Tournament by saying that these guys smash everyone in IPL but here at international level, Shaheen or Boult or whoever ran through this side. express bowling and nitinbwj 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Majestic said: So, playing for franchise is bigger than playing for country because they get paid higher in franchises? IPL is one of the most important T20 tournaments in the world (Most teams create a window for it. Many players chose it over national matches for e.g. SA players prefer it over SA v BD. Even international T20 selections can be based on IPL) ... Only T20 event that is better than an IPL is ICC WC ... IPL > random LOI bilaterals Edited April 21, 2022 by zen Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Majestic said: So, playing for franchise is bigger than playing for country because they get paid higher in franchises? Sure, next time don't blame IPL when these guys fail in a World Tournament by saying that these guys smash everyone in IPL but here at international level, Shaheen or Boult or whoever ran through this side. Well last time they all played well in IPL and were tired post IPL. So when they played in the t20 Wc, they were clearly fatigued. Besides they moved the t20 Wc from India to u.a.e. Our Indian players don't get opportunities to play franchise cricket outside India. Other teams do. This time it has been the opposite. Main players have performed badly. Let's see if it makes a difference. DarkProfile and nitinbwj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Majestic said: So, playing for franchise is bigger than playing for country because they get paid higher in franchises? You misunderstood my point. This isn’t about country vs franchise. the point here is the price tag. Sure playing for country comes with a different set of pride and accountability. However with some of the insane amounts these guys get paid in the IPL, to treat it as a paid vacation and not give a 100% is being unprofessional. If someone is out of form that is reasonable but if someone is not giving a 100% then it is a problem. it’s like saying unless people work for the army or govt, you should not give a 100% in your high paying corporate job because there is no national pride. In fact that has more accountability. Stan AF, nitinbwj and DarkProfile 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickydev Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 He is obviously not trying his hardest. Its unprofessional for his franchise but he will be fine with them. He picks and chooses his moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, zen said: IPL is one of the most important T20 tournaments in the world (Most teams create a window for it. Many players chose it over national matches for e.g. SA players prefer it over SA v BD. Even international T20 selections can be based on IPL) ... Only T20 event that is better than an IPL is ICC WC ... IPL > random LOI bilaterals They chose because of the money they get. It is not because IPL has its own relevance which is higher than international cricket. If the players don't get paid that high, they will first complete their international commitments and then come to join IPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Majestic said: They chose because of the money they get. It is not because IPL has its own relevance which is higher than international cricket. If the players don't get paid that high, they will first complete their international commitments and then come to join IPL. $$$, prestige, competitiveness, etc. all combine to make IPL a bigger T20 event apart from the ICC world events Not many across the globe watch Ind v WI/SL/etc for e.g., while IPL is seen everywhere including Pak whose players do not participate Prestige/relevance/competitiveness do not automatically associate themselves to terms such as "international" Edited April 21, 2022 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan AF Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 IPL vs India. It's about time Honestly I am of the opinion that most players have realised that it is more lucrative and relatively very easy to play for just 2 months and make millions in the process. Also more players want to be in the IPL more than playing for the country. I've seen enough to be convinced otherwise. Norman and maniac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, maniac said: You misunderstood my point. This isn’t about country vs franchise. the point here is the price tag. Sure playing for country comes with a different set of pride and accountability. However with some of the insane amounts these guys get paid in the IPL, to treat it as a paid vacation and not give a 100% is being unprofessional. If someone is out of form that is reasonable but if someone is not giving a 100% then it is a problem. it’s like saying unless people work for the army or govt, you should not give a 100% in your high paying corporate job because there is no national pride. In fact that has more accountability. Nobody gives 100% to every single thing. In corporate job, there is something called as being at bench. But employees do get paid when they are at bench, they don't opt out of that. Then there is something called as notice period where most people will not push themselves to 100% in the project. The opposite also lies when employers force employees to stay longer and work for 10-12 hours. So, it all comes down to relevance. You will always give your best when it is most relevant. Skipping games is itself a part of unprofessionalism. If Bumrah skips games or any main player skips games for his team, will that be professional enough as the franchise lose that player and have to work with other options?? Conclusion here is that accountability ultimately depends on relevance and players decide what is more relevant to them and accordingly push themselves for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 Just now, Majestic said: Nobody gives 100% to every single thing. In corporate job, there is something called as being at bench. But employees do get paid when they are at bench, they don't opt out of that. Then there is something called as notice period where most people will not push themselves to 100% in the project. The opposite also lies when employers force employees to stay longer and work for 10-12 hours. So, it all comes down to relevance. You will always give your best when it is most relevant. Skipping games is itself a part of unprofessionalism. If Bumrah skips games or any main player skips games for his team, will that be professional enough as the franchise lose that player and have to work with other options?? Conclusion here is that accountability ultimately depends on relevance and players decide what is more relevant to them and accordingly push themselves for that. well being on bench or notice period would be similar to if you are playing a dead rubber or say an exhibition/ practice game. If it is a game of any consequence then there is no excuse not giving a 100% even if it is a Ranji trophy match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, zen said: $$$, prestige, competitiveness, etc. all combine to make IPL a bigger T20 event apart from the ICC world events Not many across the globe watch Ind v WI/SL/etc for e.g., while IPL is seen everywhere including Pak whose players do not participate Prestige/relevance/competitiveness do not automatically associate themselves to terms such as "international" No, it is not watched as much outside India and neither do people remember it as much. For example, how many would believe outside India that Sandeep Sharma is one of the best new ball bowlers in T20s, how many would know him? IPL is only relevant due to the money it generates and gives to the players. It is why players don't want to skip it. Adamant and nitinbwj 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkProfile Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I want to know under what benchmark will Bumrah qualify as a non-performer? So, you want to leave out IPL? I'm fine with it. How about T20Is? How about WC T20 held last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Majestic said: No, it is not watched as much outside India and neither do people remember it as much. For example, how many would believe outside India that Sandeep Sharma is one of the best new ball bowlers in T20s, how many would know him? IPL is only relevant due to the money it generates and gives to the players. It is why players don't want to skip it. There are 70 or more Indian players spread across 10 teams so not everyone is the "best" ... In the recent Ind v SL, a Kishan, a S Iyer, a Hooda, some usually on bench SL players played, ... Even in ICC event, you would not know every player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 he doesnt have any support , he cant do jack **** Uske Ek Aus ka Unadkut hai ek india ka unadkat hai n then their are news MI is looking at Dhawal as well. No one bowler can do anything , teams will see him off and ofcourse he ll have bad days to so end figures will not look good express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts