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Archaeological Survey of India to conduct excavation at Qutub Minar


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33 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Come to an agreement outside the judicial system on Kashi & Mathura and don't change any other monument irrespective of survey results. That's the only reasonable way forward in my opinion.

 

Yup. Agree with this.

 

I think this is the best way forward. 

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9 hours ago, Clarke said:

Come to an agreement outside the judicial system on Kashi & Mathura and don't change any other monument irrespective of survey results. That's the only reasonable way forward in my opinion.

 

That's defensive and weak. Are we going to teach the children the same thing,  all is well and nothing happened? The whitewashing of the genocides needs to discussed and tackled straight on.

 

That ultimately falls about insult to Hinduism which needs to be dealt correctly and true-fully.  Today, that is little better than previous government, yet deep discrepancies and inequalities remains, among justice, media, and the entire eco-system relative to other religions.

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45 minutes ago, someone said:

 

That's defensive and weak. Are we going to teach the children the same thing,  all is well and nothing happened? The whitewashing of the genocides needs to discussed and tackled straight on.

 

That ultimately falls about insult to Hinduism which needs to be dealt correctly and true-fully.  Today, that is little better than previous government, yet deep discrepancies and inequalities remains, among justice, media, and the entire eco-system relative to other religions.

 

Assume what u want, i don't believe in rolling back all of history especially with respect to monuments.

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3 hours ago, Clarke said:

 

Assume what u want, i don't believe in rolling back all of history especially with respect to monuments.

Kashi Mathura and Ayodhya are holiest sites occupied by Islamic structures. History has to be corrected there. For others, we need to acknowledge the Islamic iconoclasm and not wipe out that history under the carpet. This doesn’t mean we hate present day Muslims in India in any way. The problem is seculars don’t want to acknowledge that bloody part of history 

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India culture is 1000s of years old ... It is sad that during Islamic rule (or occupation if some may want to call that) in many parts of the region, a systematic approach was adapted to undermine Hindu culture ... Even today, we see what Taliban (destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas), ISIS, etc. do ... Such monuments should be voluntarily handed back to the Hindus 

 

Like the Islamic rules in India, China is doing similar things in Tibet, burning away the original Tibetan culture. When/if Tibetans gets freedom, they will restore their Tibetan cultural elements too. 

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8 minutes ago, zen said:

India culture is 1000s of years old ... It is sad that during Islamic rule (or occupation if some may want to call that) in many parts of the region, a systematic approach was adapted to undermine Hindu culture ... Even today, we see what Taliban (destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas), ISIS, etc. do ... Such monuments should be voluntarily handed back to the Hindus 

 

Like the Islamic rules in India, China is doing similar things in Tibet, burning away the original Tibetan culture. When/if Tibetans gets freedom, they will restore their Tibetan cultural elements too. 

Spiritual strength scares the shoot out of Dictators and Tyrants. No wonder here.

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28 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

whats the plan here.we all know hundreds of Mosques were built on destroyed temples.are they going to raze all of them and build temples there? .are they going to abolish the 1991 act?

Only known famous ones

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^^ where I live, the Islamic Society people expanded their local mosque from a small community center to a huge shrine, about 10 yrs ago.  Next thing you know, a huge Baptist church was built within a 100 yards of the mosque (I can almost hear the old, rich Southern Baptist construction company owners going "Listen Y'all, they gonna replace us. We need to do summthin 'bout it. Donate to the good cause!").

 

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10 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

^^ where I live, the Islamic Society people expanded their local mosque from a small community center to a huge shrine, about 10 yrs ago.  Next thing you know, a huge Baptist church was built within a 100 yards of the mosque (I can almost hear the old, rich Southern Baptist construction company owners going "Listen Y'all, they gonna replace us. We need to do summthin 'bout it. Donate to the good cause!").

 

Remember when some businessman wanted to build a Islamic community center near ground zero in NYC. It caused such a huge uproar in US esp foxnews anchors screaming bloody murder. How can you insult the victims of 9/11 by building a shrine for the religion of the terrorists!! But, yeah,  Indians are so regressive and illiberal and don’t care for minorities  

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2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

As terrible as Hindus and Christians can be towards Muslims but in our times most Muslims have been killed or deposed in the name of spreading democracy ,liberalism and secularism .The funny thing is on one hand they allow a certain amount of muslims to settle in a show hospitality and outreach but on the other hand cause probably the biggest destruction and chaos in Muslim countries since the Mongol invasions.

Let’s not kid, Muslims and Christians when in power have been supremacist towards pagans, isolators and Hindus, Buddhists, Jains  in general much more. Given a majority , Muslims have wiped out minorities in places like Pakistan, Bangladesh and entire Middle East. Their problems in Syria, Libya, Sudan , Chad, Nigeria, Yemen are their doing. Iran , Iraq and Afghanistan is west handling badly. . Don’t blame and play the victim when you are not dipped in honey and sugar

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Let’s not kid, Muslims and Christians when in power have been supremacist towards pagans, isolators and Hindus, Buddhists, Jains  in general much more. Given a majority , Muslims have wiped out minorities in places like Pakistan, Bangladesh and entire Middle East. Their problems in Syria, Libya, Sudan , Chad, Nigeria, Yemen are their doing. Iran , Iraq and Afghanistan is west handling badly. . Don’t blame and play the victim when you are not dipped in honey and sugar

Yemen Syria Iran Iraq Lybia Al-Qaeda IsIs Afghanistan, Turkey Eqypt Lebnon Pakistan and so on. Not democracy but They all are killing each other because of Islam.

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4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Remember when some businessman wanted to build a Islamic community center near ground zero in NYC. It caused such a huge uproar in US esp foxnews anchors screaming bloody murder. How can you insult the victims of 9/11 by building a shrine for the religion of the terrorists!! But, yeah,  Indians are so regressive and illiberal and don’t care for minorities  

Bigots come in all shades, as do welcoming people.  IOW, every community's population spans the range from truly welcoming to tolerant to indifferent to bigoted.  The big battle is - which of these groups wins power to make and enforce laws?  The includers or the excluders?  

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OT but reading a bit about Qutub ud din Aibak...  Comes across as a genuine Underrated general.   A turkic slave sold off in his childhood. 

Almost dead & buried in a persian prison...  Until Ghori frees him up & then he rose to the top.  Ghori had mediocre campaigns in India until he joined the party. 

Formed alliances in a foreign land..  Puppet kings & all managed his territories while his master was away.  Overall Ghori took all the credit but Aibak did got his due in the end.  

Afghans were overall poor tacticians than Turks imo. 

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