Why are we trying to bring back Trundler Culture in Indian cricket again ?? Our pace bowling revolution started with the pace and bounce of Bumrah and Shami.and the height of Ishant.

[vvvslaxman]

Only way you can identify bowlers is by throwing multiple new bowlers to the deep-end in the same match. Introducing one by one is  an elaborate exercise.  Go with 5 noob. Give them 5 matches. Next try another 5 noobs. In a couple of series we can find out who is ready.

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Aksha wasn't as quick as Tyagi and Sushant

Sushant may very well be hitting 144-145 these days

One of the top contenders among left armers in India

I think he was in 132-136 range with odd bowl here and there touching 140.
Assuming he pickups his pace by 3 km...it makes him 135-139 with effort ball around 143, that's around Arshdeep's effort ball. But good thing is his action is strong and can gain pace unlike Arshdeep.
@rkt.india, @express bowling bhai your thoughts please ?

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

I think he was in 132-136 range with odd bowl here and there touching 140.
Assuming he pickups his pace by 3 km...it makes him 135-139 with effort ball around 143, that's around Arshdeep's effort ball. But good thing is his action is strong and can gain pace unlike Arshdeep.
@rkt.india, @express bowling bhai your thoughts please ?

 

I saw Akash Singh bowl in a List A match and he was having rhythm issues and issues with ball release. Must work on that.

 

He has the mindset of a genuine quick and wants to bowl fast. He is very young and can definitely become 135 to 145 range when he becomes a finished product. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by express bowling

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Only way you can identify bowlers is by throwing multiple new bowlers to the deep-end in the same match. Introducing one by one is  an elaborate exercise.  Go with 5 noob. Give them 5 matches. Next try another 5 noobs. In a couple of series we can find out who is ready.

SA ODI series was ideal to do that...  Yet same Shardul Chahar add to the trioca now Mukesh also got in. 

These low profile series are ideal for new players. 

[express bowling]

More and more trundlers, most of them short, are coming under the wing of this TM

 

Updated list ....

 

Bhuvi ... short trundler

Harshal ... short trundler 

Deepak ... medium height trundler

Shardul ... short trundler

Arshdeep .. 

Mukesh K ... short trundler

Sakaria ... short trundler

 

 

Short trundlers RULE under Rohit / Dravid / Chetan  !!!!

 

Unadkat is on the verge too.

Edited October 3, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Left armers Sakaria and M Chowdhary chosen as net bowlers.

 

What wrong did Khaleel and Dayal do ?

 

And which other big  team.has a 125 k short left armer like Sakaria, that he is needed for practice ??

Edited October 3, 2022 by express bowling

[Mosher]

https://www.crictracker.com/social-tracker-cricket/add-mohsin-khan-to-squad-netizens-demand-lsg-pacer-as-jasprit-bumrahs-replacement-for-t20-wc/?amp=1

 

Looks like Icf'ers comments in the link. Is Mohsin injured? @tweaker posted a link few days back that Mohsin was injured but that was back in June. Not able to find any updates on his injury.

 

 

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Mosher said:

https://www.crictracker.com/social-tracker-cricket/add-mohsin-khan-to-squad-netizens-demand-lsg-pacer-as-jasprit-bumrahs-replacement-for-t20-wc/?amp=1

 

Looks like Icf'ers comments in the link. Is Mohsin injured? @tweaker posted a link few days back that Mohsin was injured but that was back in June. Not able to find any updates on his injury.

 

 

 

 

So, lots of common fans talking about the need for tall, hit the deck pacers who can bowl 145 k+.  They are disgruntled with short trundlers. 

 

But the TM snd selectors are the only ones missing this obvious need.

[Suhaan]

I have a feeling ,mohsin will start trundling if gets into the team

[singhvivek141]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

But the TM snd selectors are the only ones missing this obvious need.

They are dumb, no other word to say it.
They picked Mukesh Kumar in ODI's while Kuldeep will keep on giving practice in the nets to our maharathi's.
Why not pick Mukesh for the nets instead, so that our T20 team can play against the line, length and accuracy of this trundler as well.

[Mosher]

12 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

I have a feeling ,mohsin will start trundling if gets into the team

Mohsin's coach is the same guy who has coached Shami and Mohsin has worked on his fitness with Shami at his ground. Hope Shami doesn't give this kind of gyaan to Mohsin too which he gave to Umran. Surprised to hear Shami spouting the same nonsense which some of our ex players do. Everybody has a different pace ceiling. 

 

"I agree that he has pace. However, personally speaking, I'm not a big fan of pace. If your ball moves both ways at 140kmph and reverses, then it's enough to trouble any batsman. So, he has pace, but he will take time to mature, because, along with pace, we (pacers) need to upgrade ourselves too," Shami said at a media interaction organized by the Gujarat Titans on Friday.

 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Mosher said:

Mohsin's coach is the same guy who has coached Shami and Mohsin has worked on his fitness with Shami at his ground. Hope Shami doesn't give this kind of gyaan to Mohsin too which he gave to Umran. Surprised to hear Shami spouting the same nonsense which some of our ex players do. Everybody has a different pace ceiling. 

 

"I agree that he has pace. However, personally speaking, I'm not a big fan of pace. If your ball moves both ways at 140kmph and reverses, then it's enough to trouble any batsman. So, he has pace, but he will take time to mature, because, along with pace, we (pacers) need to upgrade ourselves too," Shami said at a media interaction organized by the Gujarat Titans on Friday.

 

What wrong did he say?

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Mohsin's coach is the same guy who has coached Shami and Mohsin has worked on his fitness with Shami at his ground. Hope Shami doesn't give this kind of gyaan to Mohsin too which he gave to Umran. Surprised to hear Shami spouting the same nonsense which some of our ex players do. Everybody has a different pace ceiling. 

 

"I agree that he has pace. However, personally speaking, I'm not a big fan of pace. If your ball moves both ways at 140kmph and reverses, then it's enough to trouble any batsman. So, he has pace, but he will take time to mature, because, along with pace, we (pacers) need to upgrade ourselves too," Shami said at a media interaction organized by the Gujarat Titans on Friday.

 

 

 

In that interview, Shami sounded very jealous of the attention Umran was getting despite being a rookie. 

[Suhaan]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

What wrong did he say?

If someone has pace and can operate at 150+ like he himself does at 140 ,then he's absolutely wrong

And him being a senior doesn't need to tell a young bowler to limit himself

Let me tell you Umran is the only bowler who has near perfect action,ticking almost everything at this young age without under any supervision either,

So he can only get better with his pace from here,so it is utterly nonsense from a pro like Shami

Edited October 4, 2022 by Suhaan

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Suhaan said:

If someone has pace and can operate at 150+ like he himself does at 140 ,then he's absolutely wrong

And him being a senior doesn't need to talk a young bowler to limit himself

o, he has pace, but he will take time to mature, because, along with pace, we (pacers) need to upgrade ourselves too

 

He just said to add skills to go with pace.

[Mosher]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

What wrong did he say?

If a guy is capable of bowling 150 why should he limit to being 140. He should try to get accurate while bowling at his fastest. That is limiting someone's potential especially when someone is young. He should bowl as fast as he can. Things like control and moving the ball will come with experience. 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Mosher said:

If a guy is capable of bowling 150 why should he limit to being 140. He should try to get accurate while bowling at his fastest. That is limiting someone's potential especially when someone is young. He should bowl as fast as he can. Things like control and moving the ball will come with experience. 

 

He's not asking him to be a trundler.

 

140+ is enough with accuracy and skills. Very tough to do that at 150+

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

o, he has pace, but he will take time to mature, because, along with pace, we (pacers) need to upgrade ourselves too

 

He just said to add skills to go with pace.

Yes why not add something to already great pace

There is no need to curb something which goes your way

Our mindset is so much defensive and pragmatic

SENA sides alongwith Pakistan never ever talk about curbing pace, that's blasphemy there,on the other hand place trundlers on pedestal

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

He's not asking him to be a trundler.

 

140+ is enough with accuracy and skills. Very tough to do that at 150+

Absolutely wrong,150+ and swinging and maintaing your line is not something which isn't impossible

 

That is a delusion,noone can operate at 150+ consistently even in odis

But bowlers have done well in t20s opearting at 150

150+ bowlers are rare,no aide asks them to reduce their pace anyway

[Mesky99]

23 hours ago, nsareen said:

 

Well we do have quick bowlers, but they never are in the top wicket takers list in domestic tournaments, who are on top, bowlers like Mukesh, Mithun, Vinay, Dinda, Sandeep, Kaul, Harshal  etc.. who are not quick but use the indian pitches which are taylor made for swing bowlers.  I feel the pitches which assist quick bowling are very very few in India & sample size of such matches are very less to leave an impression.

Dinda was never a trundler, infact pretty quick, Mithun and Vinay hunted in pairs and everytime the pitch went flat both were under par, over the last 6 years young quick pacers have done exceptionally well but the lack of proper conditioning and real management of these quick bowlers has meant some lost form and pace, nathu Singh was a standout in his first season bowling quick, selectors picked sran, kaul and rishi dhawan ahead of him, later he got injured and never recovered, saini had a few bad outings, injured and lost form, Karthik tyagi, Sushant Mishra have all been mismanaged, akashdeep plays for the same domestic team as Mukesh, the guy has better numbers in all formats but not considered for India A, duleep trophy etc, Yash dayal highest wicket taker in last year's vht but again not in the odi squad, the selectors are clueless, Indian captains whether Rohit or kohli never watch domestic cricket and have zero idea about the younger players, there is a lot of injustice that is taking place currently, guys like avesh, Mukesh get picked in the odi squad after averaging over 50 in list A cricket.