did kohli at no 3 hurt india - i feel its the no 1 reason why we lost

[mani sha]

this might be a very controversial post but here is what i think 

 

kohli coming back in some form is also not good enough for modern t20 . 

 

example one -against pak, he barely hit one or two sixes. an ideal no 3 should be able to bring out big shots in first 5 overs and later in last 5 overs. if you make 60 then better have at least three to 4 sixes like sharma does

 

against sri lanka, he made an ordinary left armer look like nz boult or great wasim at peak wc form. we lost 4 deliveries and momentum 

 

kohli at top with rahul is the worst idea. 

 

rahul should be keeping and imo and sharma with either kishan or pant are better opening gambits. hell even gill should be looked upon as a possible opener for aussie pitches . or get sampson or someone who can hit sixes . not kohli at no 3 .

[cric_fan]

Like others around him performed?

[mani sha]

2 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

Like others around him performed?

sharma performed, jadeja performed, pandya performed. 

 

the top 3 need to be the best for that format

sharma is still our best t20 player as he hits sixes. who else hits sixes in the team ? rahul when he is in top form and uninhibited. pant if he has head in right place. 

 

sampson and kishan are two candidates who do hit ok. sampson is perhaps what we need to open with rohit with pant at no 3 . 

 

 

[Khota]

Rahul failed at top.

 

Spin pathetic.

 

Bowling bad.

 

Fielding crap.

 

Kohli was a positive.

[zen]

Ind top 3 is not optimized for T20s unless stats-padding is confused with performance 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Khota said:

Rahul failed at top.

 

Spin pathetic.

 

Bowling bad.

 

Fielding crap.

 

Kohli was a positive.

yes , pin pointing on one guy basically is our highest scorer of tournament is bizzare then what about others who havent even done that much

IF ur loosing 2 games in a row well its becoz of many reasons not just reason or one player

 

[mani sha]

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes , pin pointing on one guy basically is our highest scorer of tournament is bizzare then what about others who havent even done that much

IF ur loosing 2 games in a row well its becoz of many reasons not just reason or one player

 

you need a player who can hit sixes in top 3 in t20 

 

his scores were ineffective in winning the match

 

sharma made a 42 ball 70 - almost won the match but for poor support from kohli and others

kohli score of 60 against pak was 10 short of what a modern top 3 batter could have made

 

if you play in top 3 better have 6 hitting ability . 

shaw, sampson, pant are few top 3 contenders for now 

 

but truly india has a bare cupboard . whats the reason for batting decline across formats?

[Number]

I feel Surya's failures against Pakistan and SL harmed us more.

You would expect a player of his quality to click and bat till 18-20th over with high strike rate when others have prepared a good launching.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, mani sha said:

you need a player who can hit sixes in top 3 in t20 

 

1st u need players who can stand 

Like kishen u talked about struggles to score against anything moving , even bounce is a problem. These were dodgy pitches, in such conditions he nyways struggles

His s/r in PP this yr has been 110 

 

9 hours ago, mani sha said:

his scores were ineffective in winning the match

 

Bowling was ineffective and middle order failed 

9 hours ago, mani sha said:

sharma made a 42 ball 70 - almost won the match but for poor support from kohli and others

kohli score of 60 against pak was 10 short of what a modern top 3 batter could have made

 

that pak, how much tail was left that he cud have gone for risk ??

 

9 hours ago, mani sha said:

if you play in top 3 better have 6 hitting ability . 

shaw, sampson, pant are few top 3 contenders for now 

 

Please check shaw number of dismissal against short ball in last 2-3 yrs and u want to take him to Australia

Edited September 8, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Suhaan]

Top 3 especially Kohli and KL are unfit to play t20s 

Bowling,Chahal and Bhuvi are the culprits,in both the games i would rather blame our bowlers more

Total was competitive,even Afghans were striking early but it has become our Achilles heel for quite long now

We tend to struggle big time picking early wickets,both the matches went almost to the last ball ,our senior most bowler failed to deliver

 

[putrevus]

Pandya was his usual self , perform one match and go missing from others.  SKY looked million dollars against Hong Kong but could not even score against SL.

 

Kohli if he becomes right will perform more than he fails. Do we have anyone better than Kohli to bat in top three.  So stop with this nonsene that Kohli was the problem in this cup.

[Khota]

39 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes , pin pointing on one guy basically is our highest scorer of tournament is bizzare then what about others who havent even done that much

IF ur loosing 2 games in a row well its becoz of many reasons not just reason or one player

 

ICFers are emotion driven. There is a lot of blame to be passed but it was not on Kohli.

[vvvslaxman]

If you want to shock an opposition's plan you need to be flexible with batting order.  Reason why we lost was death over bowling, slog over hitting. Both were well below average.  Lack of death bowlers, lack of lower order hitters. Kohli even at his best was not a guy who would score 20 odd runs in one over regularly.  So India needs finishers. Right now we have far too many accumulators right through the line up. Even Pandya has become an accumulator. Not a big over guy. Jaddu accumulator. Pant is a total lottery.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Khota said:

ICFers are emotion driven. There is a lot of blame to be passed but it was not on Kohli.

it cant be on one player, its one comman sense that 11 play and not all will have a good day but still teams win . Its team that wins n looses

Babar azam has been failing but his team is in final coz others are performing 

[the don]

Without Kohli India would have lost the 1 st game to Pakistan too and scored even less in the 2nd . No way was sky and company surviving that opening burst by Naseem on that track.

[Khota]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

it cant be on one player, its one comman sense that 11 play and not all will have a good day but still teams win . Its team that wins n looses

Babar azam has been failing but his team is in final coz others are performing 

There were multiple factors, but it was not Kohli. Everyone cannot hit peak every day. Even Michael Jordan struggled with that, but he did come close.

[Suhaan]

@raki05
,your 2 cents?

[Ankit_sharma03]

can blame pant to 

 

[putrevus]

Kohli's bad batting hurt India the most in test cricket.He has looked clueless in test cricket .Kohli is not indispensable from any team as long we have players who can do the job.

 

Even in last t20 world cup Kohli was the one scored some runs against Pakistan while Kaptaan got out for duck and  wickets were falling around him.But for some geniuses Rohit is now suddenly better player than Kohli.Can Rohit sustain his high SR and score big runs like he used is still up for debate. Rohit s game is not built to start fast and sustain it.But he and Kohli are the only two players who could handle the bounce and not piss in their pants in Australia.

 

 

[Mesky99]

Nahh he did not hurt us, not as if sky, pandya, Rahul or even Rohit scored at a fast pace, sky, pant, pandya threw their wickets away against Pak and this has been happening since some time, neither sky or pant take much responsibility both are a shot away from brain fade, kohli's 30 in the first game was important otherwise there would have been no platform for pandya to work with, Rahul is a mental midget and Rohit for some reason was very eager to give his wicket away, this hype around attack at all cost has got to some of these players big time, the issue they are all flat track bullies and even then mess up so badly in the middle order because the likes of pant, sky and Pandya are all inconsistent simple, none of them are Raina level let alone yuvi and dhoni. It's a average team. Bowling pathetic