Dinesh Karthik’s batting role is the most foolish thing I have seen

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, adi B said:

But we know Dk's form is only limited to IPL ,he has been selected for the national team in the recent past as well based on IPl performances and then he does Jack all when playing for the national team .

It is a continuous thing that has kept on happening, DK gets selected based on IPL ,fails ,gets dumped ,then rinse and repeat .

 

I shared the stat for internationals. He did win atleast 2 man of the matches since his return this year despite not having many balls to face. In t hat low scoring match India need 9 runs to get in the last over he hit a 6 and 4 in the first 2 balls to finish.  Also DK probably for the first time selected based on IPL. I don't think he ever had a season like this before. Infact he was not in the picture for 7 years.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

Who'd be your batsmen?

i hvent seen much of Wi conditons in recent times apart from CPL

In CPl they have been super slow but then again Wc is a different ball game as ull get high pace bowlers their. In2010 we were bounced out by Aus 

 

As of now ill have this as base players- Pant-shaw-samson-KL-kishen-hardik-sky and rest will look at options over a period of time. Actually shreyas iyer wont be bad a horses for courses since he can adjust to slow wkts . I know KL-pant arent pulling their weight but the quality is so high in them thats its too hard to ignore. One thing for sure id love to try pant at open post this Wc. Whatever lil he did forIndia he showed encouraging sign ,also by that time i expect him to find a counter to this wide line problem . Kishen is also someone who doesnt enjoy slow wkts but im hoping he improves by then

Edited October 25, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[vvvslaxman]

DK is going away anyway after this world T20. @maniac point is not whether DK is  worth or not. That is a different topic.  it is about whether promotion of Axar ahead of Hardik pandya, DK even Ashwin is worth or not.

Edited October 25, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

i hvent seen much of Wi conditons in recent times apart from CPL

In CPl they have been super slow but then again Wc is a different ball game as ull get high pace bowlers their. In2010 we were bounced out by Aus 

 

As of now ill have this as base players- Pant-shaw-samson-KL-kishen-hardik-sky and rest will look at options over a period of time. Actually shreyas iyer wont be bad a horses for courses since he can adjust to slow wkts . I know KL-pant arent pulling their weight but the quality is so high in them thats its too hard to ignore. One thing for sure id love to try pant at open post this Wc. Whatever lil he did forIndia he showed encouraging sign ,also by that time i expect him to find a counter to this wide line problem . Kishen is also someone who doesnt enjoy slow wkts but im hoping he improves by then

 

Pant has competition in Kishan. After Kishan's butchering of Nortje  will continue to be in the reckoning for that opening spot.  But his role is not to tuk tuk.  Biggest mistake india did with KL Rahul was letting him decide his own role rather telling him the role he has to play.  Going forward define roles for players and they have to assume that role unless conditions are exceptional.

[IndianRenegade]

Axar was sent ahead because he was leftie, I am not sure if the plan failed after all he was just run out.

 

I won't make much out of the penultimate ball failure of DK, kohli who was belting Rauf & Shaheen couldn't put bat to ball on a free hit. finishing is tough, you get very less time in pressure situation even before you get your eye in. 3 out of 5 times you will fail. 

 

 

[Vk1]

Kumble pitching for Jitesh Sharma to take DKs spot after this world cup.. 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Vk1 said:

Kumble pitching for Jitesh Sharma to take DKs spot after this world cup.. 

 

Not a bad option to try. He was the second best after DK among Indians in term of finishing. Good strike rate. Hardly wasted any ball to get going. Worth experimenting.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Vk1 said:

Kumble pitching for Jitesh Sharma to take DKs spot after this world cup.. 

 

he also pitched for Rahul Chahar to be next Test leg spinner 

 

See the pattern

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Axar was sent ahead because he was leftie, I am not sure if the plan failed after all he was just run out.

 

I won't make much out of the penultimate ball failure of DK, kohli who was belting Rauf & Shaheen couldn't put bat to ball on a free hit. finishing is tough, you get very less time in pressure situation even before you get your eye in. 3 out of 5 times you will fail. 

 

 

 

Luckily we didn't have to find out whether it worked or not.  They tried three times recently. Just didn't work out.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

he also pitched for Rahul Chahar to be next Test leg spinner 

 

See the pattern

 

lol PKXI?

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Pant has competition in Kishan. After Kishan's butchering of Nortje  will continue to be in the reckoning for that opening spot.  But his role is not to tuk tuk.  Biggest mistake india did with KL Rahul was letting him decide his own role rather telling him the role he has to play.  Going forward define roles for players and they have to assume that role unless conditions are exceptional.

kishen ability to butcher nortje in different conditions is a question and he has a lot of question when it comes to his game. What he does in india shud be ignored if Wc is somewhere else. Right question is about his ability in those conditions. Kishen enjoys flat wkts and gun barrel straight bowling which makes him a very limited player. Even in IPL he has nothing much to show apart from 1-1.5 half good season till now 

 

But he can evolve in 2 yrs which is what im hoping in next 2 yrs since he can be very destructive . Pant-kishen can be a great idea at 1-3 keeping right left combo going. Kishen can do that Raina role in future provided he evolves

Actually kishen competes with samson , pant will always have other formats and his own superiors quality to keep getting back in reckoning which is not the case with other .  

 

Pant-kishen-samson all are good enough to play as batsman so wont even mind all 3 in same lineup.  Samson also is an outstanding fielder 

 

[nitinbwj]

So if Axar is taken for a couple of sixes in an over,its game over for Rohit.Nore more overs and he flops in batting also.Why even play him then. Dk and Axar are soon turning into big headcahes.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Kumble pitching for Jitesh Sharma to take DKs spot after this world cup.. 

he isnt wrong to suggest coz jitesh is showing signs as finisher............other 3 keepers are best suited from top to middle

 

[adi B]

31 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I shared the stat for internationals. He did win atleast 2 man of the matches since his return this year despite not having many balls to face. In t hat low scoring match India need 9 runs to get in the last over he hit a 6 and 4 in the first 2 balls to finish.  Also DK probably for the first time selected based on IPL. I don't think he ever had a season like this before. Infact he was not in the picture for 7 years.

2013 IPL season got him into the side ,he failed .

2017 ,2018 season got him into the side ,he failed .

Lol that 8 over match against Australia is all that you've got?

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, adi B said:

2013 IPL season got him into the side ,he failed .

2017 ,2018 season got him into the side ,he failed .

Lol that 8 over match against Australia is all that you've got?

 

2018 failed? lol SL fans will disagree with you.  What did Pant achieve anything in T20. I am also his fan. But we have to be realistic.  If you are going to talk about 1 ball failure then you should also talk about 2 ball success.  2 man of the matches. You ignored that too. Given the role DK plays he will hardly have any balls to face.  By the way. He played in 2010 for India. His next match was in 2017. There is no 2013. He was absent for 7 years. In the very first match since his return after 7 years he made 48 runs in 27 balls.

 

Since 2017 after his return

 

DK 47 matches 37 innings 573 runs 33.70 avge  155.70 strike rate.

 

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

47 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

DK is going away anyway after this world T20. @maniac point is not whether DK is  worth or not. That is a different topic.  it is about whether promotion of Axar ahead of Hardik pandya, DK even Ashwin is worth or not.

Regardless how DK performs he should not get picked in next T20 series we play.  This should be the last of him. 

Hopefully selectors are clear about that. 

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Regardless how DK performs he should not get picked in next T20 series we play.  This should be the last of him. 

Hopefully selectors are clear about that. 

 

That is going to be the case now that Samson and Kishan have done well in the recent matches. I still don't see Pant's entry will be straight forward.

[IndianRenegade]

48 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

So if Axar is taken for a couple of sixes in an over,its game over for Rohit.Nore more overs and he flops in batting also.Why even play him then. Dk and Axar are soon turning into big headcahes.

Because we didn't have a crystal ball & he is the only one who provides bowling & batting option. Considering we didn't need Axar to finish 20 overs why would we risk bowling him another over after he was hit in his first? babar also didn't want to risk Nawaz after he got hit. 

 

Spinners are getting carted unless you are exceptionally good, look at Hasaranga & Theekshana today. India should have added one more pace bowling allrounder like Thakur. Now we either go in with 5 bowlers knowing one of them might have a bad day or risk Axar who hasn't been successful so far in these conditions.  We might risk it with our highest run scorer Harshal considering Perth should help quicks more. 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, IndianRenegade said:

Because we didn't have a crystal ball & he is the only one who provides bowling & batting option. Considering we didn't need Axar to finish 20 overs why would we risk bowling him another over after he was hit in his first? babar also didn't want to risk Nawaz after he got hit. 

 

Spinners are getting carted unless you are exceptionally good, look at Hasaranga & Theekshana today. India should have added one more pace bowling allrounder like Thakur. Now we either go in with 5 bowlers knowing one of them might have a bad day or risk Axar who hasn't been successful so far in these conditions.  We might risk it with our highest run scorer Harshal considering Perth should help quicks more. 

 

Spot on. In Australian conditions unless it is something like SCG going in with 2 spinners is a massive risk.

[vishalvirsingh]

17 hours ago, Adamant said:

I have always said this - 

Dk is good for nothing, he is not an international cricket material, should stick to TNPL and IPL. 

 

Play Pant ahead of him. 

yes i agree. though he is trying hard.