Dinesh Karthik’s batting role is the most foolish thing I have seen

[maniac]

How can a player be a 1-2 over specialist is beyond me.closest stupid thing I see is Asif Ali for Pakistan. DK is only ahead because he is a keeper.

 

Guys like Tim David, Livingstone, Shanaka do the same thing for their teams but I have noticed they are usually flexible at times based on the situation.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread, how can you send a bowling allrounder Axar Patel over a batsman like DK who has played in the Indian team as a specialist bat at times is beyond me.

 

It doesn’t make sense and one of the most foolish strategies I have seen.

 

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by maniac

[vvvslaxman]

This promotion of Axar over him is getting ridiculous. He came even ahead of Pandya against Pakistan. What were they thinking?  They treat him like he is left arm spinner/leg spinner nightmare.  Especially in Australian conditions it is even more bonkers. 

[vvvslaxman]

The time when Ashwin came ahead of Jadeja lol . INdia was in hopeless situation. Dhoni/Ashwin/Jadeja pulled off an impossible tie

 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[coffee_rules]

He is there if Hardik fails a proper batsman as backup, plus he is a keeper. He succeeds 50# of the time in his role . DK and Pant don’t make any sense. 

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

He is there if Hardik fails a proper batsman as backup, plus he is a keeper. He succeeds 50# of the time in his role . DK and Pant don’t make any sense. 

 

Ashwin and DK should come ahead of Axar atleast in Australia. May be against minnows they can try him. But in such a crunch game against Pakistan where the asking rate was around 12 sending Axar was a dumb move.

Edited October 24, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[vvvslaxman]

Imagine Axar not getting run out and plodding around wasting 2 or 3 precious overs? Pandya would have come after 15th over against Haris Rauf straight away. It would have been a disaster.

[Vk1]

TM believing in Axar's batting abilities at a time when his bowling itself is not proven outside asia

Edited October 24, 2022 by Vk1

[zen]

DK is not there to play 1-2 overs but plays as someone who can capitalize in death overs and play the pressure situations 

 

The issue is with the captain/TM trying to keep him in the bank for as late as possible potentially as an insurance where lesser batsman like Axar are sacrificed to throw the bat around 

 

Sending Axar up can potentially lose a game for India like Jadeja did in 2009 WC 

 

[Adamant]

I have always said this - 

Dk is good for nothing, he is not an international cricket material, should stick to TNPL and IPL. 

 

Play Pant ahead of him. 

[vvvslaxman]

34 minutes ago, Adamant said:

I have always said this - 

Dk is good for nothing, he is not an international cricket material, should stick to TNPL and IPL. 

 

Play Pant ahead of him. 

 

Point here is why is DK sent for 1  or 2 balls?  , Axar  has done nothing in T20 ever as a batsman. DK has atleast played a few match winning cameos.  Why would you send Axar ahead of him? I don't think even DC sent him at 5. His highest score is 20 in T20. 

[Serpico]

Did everyone forget the concept of pinch hitter? I remember seeing Irfan Pathan come ahead of Dravid and Dhoni and win us few matches back in the day. That doesn't mean Irfan was better batsman than dravid, it's just a gamble with a cheap wicket

 

Pakistan successfully gambled with Nawaz in the second match in Asia Cup. Its not a bad strategy when it works, especially since he's the only leftie in the line-up 

[Serpico]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Point here is why is DK sent for 1  or 2 balls?  , Axar  has done nothing in T20 ever as a batsman. DK has atleast played a few match winning cameos.  Why would you send Axar ahead of him? I don't think even DC sent him at 5. His highest score is 20 in T20. 

If dk comes early and gets out, pandya will have additional pressure and cannot take chances till death overs. They had to try and see if axar can get some momentum to the innings 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Serpico said:

If dk comes early and gets out, pandya will have additional pressure and cannot take chances till death overs. They had to try and see if axar can get some momentum to the innings 

 

There is no evidence that he is even capable of doing. When even his IPL team doesn't him send there why send this guy in a crunch game against a team that has 150 kph bowler on a big ground.  Forget about DK. Why was he sent ahead of Pandya?

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Did everyone forget the concept of pinch hitter? I remember seeing Irfan Pathan come ahead of Dravid and Dhoni and win us few matches back in the day. That doesn't mean Irfan was better batsman than dravid, it's just a gamble with a cheap wicket

 

Pakistan successfully gambled with Nawaz in the second match in Asia Cup. Its not a bad strategy when it works, especially since he's the only leftie in the line-up 

 

Axar  is nothing compared to Irfan as a batsman. If India had someone like Irfan i have no problem. He can play high pace and also spin. Even Deepak chahar i would have understood. 

[vvvslaxman]

5.3

W

Haris Rauf to Yadav, OUT

Rauf strikes, Pakistan have three early! Rauf roars in celebration! Back of a length, hostile line, and cramps SKY for room as he looks for his release shot, attempting to steer down to third with an open face. Instead, he can only feather through to Rizwan, who throws the ball up in the air. Rauf is down on his knees, punching the air before Shadab embarces him. Nipped in off the seam and took a glove on its way through

Suryakumar Yadav c †Mohammad Rizwan b Haris Rauf 15 (11m 10b 2x4 0x6) SR: 150

 

Axar is promoted to No. 5. Two slips.

5.4

2

Haris Rauf to Axar Patel, 2 runs

Length ball, stands tall and punches through point for a couple, with an open face

 

5.5

1lb

Haris Rauf to Axar Patel, 1 leg bye

Good length, tucks him up with a length ball. Skids into the pad and they scamper through for a leg bye. 92mph/149kph

 

 

So what is the logic behind sending Axar patel against Haris Rauf? If it was to protect next batsman you should have sent Ashwin not this guy.

[nevada]

8 minutes ago, Serpico said:

If dk comes early and gets out, pandya will have additional pressure and cannot take chances till death overs. They had to try and see if axar can get some momentum to the innings 

They must have hoped that Axar would hit a few quick runs against the spinners. Plus there's the LHB + RHB advantage. Axar is no mug with the bat and taking a punt on him isn't such a bad decision. 

[AuxiliA]

Axar batting isn't good enough to be batting at no 7, let alone in top 5. He's a bowler who can bat not a batting AR. We are missing Jadeja here big time. 

 

If Axar can't bowl more than 2 overs properly here, then he's of no use. It's better to get Hooda or even Pant in his place. 

[Majestic]

It is a foolish role basically. 

 

If you want to give the role to any player like that, then give it if he is a GOAT in that role. What is DK's record as a finisher? It is nothing like GOAT finisher.

 

Hence, he needs to be flexible and willing to take more responsibility even if it means he needs to handle spin. Actually handling spin shouldn't be a problem because we have quite a few who can decimate them so DK should worry less of that.

[express bowling]

Axar was sent early to create a left - right combo.

 

He used to be a proper batsman in his U19 days and even now has a FC average of 33+.

 

I think the TM are hoping that he will discover his batting ability again like Jaddu did.

[Chakdephatte]

7 hours ago, maniac said:

How can a player be a 1-2 over specialist is beyond me.closest stupid thing I see is Asif Ali for Pakistan. DK is only ahead because he is a keeper.

 

He is not only for 1-2 overs. It only looks so because our top order bats long (atleast in easy conditions.) Finshers in T20s often face very few balls on average, but they exist. Bravo, Sammy for example, even Jadeja of past.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Chakdephatte