jalebi_bhai Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 32 minutes ago, Stan AF said: This has been said by every poster here over and over for quite some time now. I'm sorry I don't buy this. The talent here is pretty average to say the least. You don't have to buy it. The simple point is that India excels at levels where raw talent is the deciding factor. Between 2012-2022, the u19 team have won 3/6 WCs and made 5/6 finals. No other country has been even remotely consistent. It's similar to English football at age group level. England produces some of the best young players in terms of athleticism. They have pace, power and technique... basically all the raw ingredients required to succeed. It's once they enter into the senior team set up, where things go bad. Clueless managers and coaching with stale tactics. It's the foreign managers at their clubs who bring the best out of them. Since the formation of the Premier League in 1992, not a single English manager has won the league. We have a similar coaching and talent management issue at the senior level. rollingstoned and Stuge 1 1 Link to comment
QuarantineTormentino Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 3 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said: Some crazy parallels: 1. Run by two of the richest sporting organizations in the sport - ✓ 2. Richest domestic premier league - ✓ 3. Crazy depth in talent - ✓ 4. Superstar culture - ✓ 5. Good record in bilaterals/friendlies - ✓ 6. Perennial underachievers in major tournaments - ✓ 7. Cliques and lobbies within squad - ✓ 8. Idiotic coaching staff/team management that plays an archaic/outdated brand of sport - ✓ 9. Crazy, unjustified media hype for team - ✓ 10. Perpetually frustrated fan base - ✓ India has had more success historically since cricket is primarily a sport played by the commonwealth countries but all markers suggest we're heading the way of the English football team. 11. Has recently started demolishing minnows - ✓ Stuge 1 Link to comment
Clarke Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) We don't have a high profile WAGs culture but Virushka tried hard and our current T20 captain has changed this to replicate the angrez. Edited November 24, 2022 by Clarke Link to comment
Clarke Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) Do the angrez footballers prioritize EPL over international football or is there no conflict of scheduling ? What are their biases compared to ours (seniority, trundler = accuracy etc) Edited November 24, 2022 by Clarke Link to comment
Stuge Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) Umran Malik is bowling at 150 km per hour. I mean when you have the best car in the world, and you leave it in the garage, then what's the point of having that car? Umran Malik should have been picked in the Indian squad for the World Cup," Lee Issue lies with selection and TM who believe in conservative cricket..You can have all the talent but if it is unutilized than its useless. Edited November 24, 2022 by Stuge cricketfan28 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, QuarantineTormentino said: 11. Has recently started demolishing minnows - ✓ LOL. We nearly lost to Toygers couple of weeks ago. Link to comment
Stuge Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Frustrated said: LOL. We nearly lost to Toygers couple of weeks ago. Has happened a lot in past as well but BD mostly fails to cross the line.... Nothing new there . Link to comment
jalebi_bhai Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, Clarke said: Do the angrez footballers prioritize EPL over international football or is there no conflict of scheduling ? No conflict except for one tournament (African Cup of Nations), which doesn't apply to English footballers. Football in general is club centric (~8 months). The national teams play in dedicated windows called international breaks for friendlies/tournament qualifiers. Then you have the big tournaments where they play together. 48 minutes ago, Clarke said: What are their biases compared to ours (seniority, trundler = accuracy etc) At the moment, their manager is a moron. Plays to 'not lose' than to win. Has taken them to semis and final of last two tournaments, so English FA feels he's good but it's mostly down to the squad talent than the manager. Traditionally, their problem has been cliques within the team. So they underperform even when they have world class squad. Also problem with coaches. English managers mostly play outdated brand of football. All the big English clubs have foreign managers except Potter at Chelsea, and guess what, he's underperforming with them. Clarke and rollingstoned 1 1 Link to comment
Norman Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Frustrated said: OK. And what about Nz? They were a much better team than us in their own conditions. And had their GOAT test side. Losing to them with a completely different side doesn't make the Australian series a "fluke". That is peak Lahori logic.. no offense. Link to comment
Frustrated Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Norman said: They were a much better team than us in their own conditions. And had their GOAT test side. Losing to them with a completely different side doesn't make the Australian series a "fluke". That is peak Lahori logic.. no offense. But u did not say anything about our 0-2 whitewash in Nz where toygers drew the series 1-1. Stan AF 1 Link to comment
Norman Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Frustrated said: But u did not say anything about our 0-2 whitewash in Nz where toygers drew the series 1-1. How many of Gill, Siraj, Sundar, Thakur , Nattu etc played in NZ when we lost 2-0? You are making absolutely no sense at this point. Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 10 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said: We do. India is very dominant at age group cricket where raw talent is adequate to excel. It all goes pear-shaped at the senior levels for us. No we don't have talent, it is high time we don't pay attention to that useless under 19 world cup. Stan AF 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Where is @Adamant now?. He had some pretty strong opinions on indian fast bowling Link to comment
Stan AF Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 IMO, there are 3 best talents for my money's worth in indian team are pant, sky and bumrah. The caveat being, all three of em are yet to do something worthwhile in ICC knockouts. putrevus 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 I don't know how anyone with straightface can say India is loaded with talent. Almost all IPL team have overseas players as finishers. All the Indian players are at best considators for their teams. There has been no standout bowler either spinner or fast bowler in IPL in more than a decade except Bumrah, Where and who are the so called fricking talented players. Stan AF 1 Link to comment
jalebi_bhai Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, putrevus said: I don'tknow how anyone with straightface can say India is loaded with talent. Almost all IPL team have overseas players as finishers. All the Indian players are at best considators for their teams. There has been no standout bowler either spinner or fast bowler in IPL in more than a decade except Bumrah, Where and who are the so called fricking talented players. Theek hai. You and Stan are right. India has no depth in talent. Tell us how many talented players are there in India then. Link to comment
zen Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 India lacks a proper sports culture, imo. express bowling 1 Link to comment
the don Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 I get the different arguments but success at u19 level is no barometer of talents. Kids that have better coaching and infra at that level tend to do well not to mention the randomness of selection. Link to comment
the don Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) Per capita india produces nowhere near as much talent as SENA +WI, SRL. Not even close.Although in comparison to the 90s and earlier India does produce better talents with some 140 kph bowlers coming to the system, still no great wrist spinners or innovative off spinners. What india do have is a pretty big pool of decent cricketers but thats to do with the size of the country and opportunity as opposed to all of them being freakish talents. Edited November 24, 2022 by the don Link to comment
The Realist Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Little point jizzing in your pants about U19 or youth wins as they are pretty meaningless - at least circa 90% of those players will fail to make it. Identifying, nurturing and finetuning talent is something Ind is pretty hopeless at. You can count on one hand the successful young players integrated into the senior team in the past 5 years. Frustrated 1 Link to comment
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