The Decline of Indian Test Batting since 2012

[King6]

15 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

 

 

15 hours ago, King6 said:

Bowling friendly pitches..

If we compare bowling avg 

Kumble @29.65

Bhajji @32.46

 

Ashwin @24.13

Jadeja @24.71

Sehwaag kohli each played 104 and 102 matches respectively.. Sehwaag mostly played in 2000 decade n kohli played in 2010 decade.. Both batsman avg almost same.. But if we compare deeply 

 

Sehwaag 104 matches avg match runs 1135 avg wickets per match 30.45

Avg runs per wicket 1135/30.45=37.26

 

Kohli 102 matches

Avg runs per match 1010

Wickets per match 32.3

Avg runs per wicket 31.2.. 

 

Difference b/w two era's match avg per wicket 6 runs.. Even in this era mostly our batsman only playing on tricky pitches either home/away comparatively other teams

Edited December 17, 2022 by King6

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Flat tracks

I would say it is down to inability of modern era batters when it comes to good defence and that is down to T20s.

[Trichromatic]

31 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I would say it is down to inability of modern era batters when it comes to good defence and that is down to T20s.

 

I disagree. Batting averages are similar to 90s.

 

Batsmen enjoyed flat pitches from 2003-2013 and statspadded mostly during that phase.

[Vijy]

pitches were poor (i.e., batting friendly) in 2002-2017 from what I recall. and our Fab 5 played most of their career in this period (barring Tenda). with that said, I don't think it's just pitches, but also decline in technique, accountability, etc.

[speedracer]

18 hours ago, Majestic said:

I would say it is down to inability of modern era batters when it comes to good defence and that is down to T20s.

But modern batsmen also have better attacking game compared to past eras. Second innings chases have become easy. 

[Moochad]

Kya yaar, 2000s was the era of flat pitches and huge scores.  It was the easiest time to bat in the last 70 years. How will batsmen now are going to have the same avg as then?

 

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1301577/stats-analysis---why-the-current-test-era-is-among-the-very-best-for-bowling 

 

 

 

[dilliboy]

Exactly..there hasn't been a decline in techniques or quality. It's all got to do with the quality of pitches and the impact of DRS in getting more decisions in favour of bowlers. 

[deepdynamo]

Kela average dropped to 33.44 now ( 47 tests)

 

What a free fall!

[BacktoCricaddict]

56 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

Kela average dropped to 33.44 now ( 47 tests)

 

What a free fall!

 

The thing with someone like him is that he is still relatively young.  He is obviously a gifted batsman and still has time to go back to domestics and fix technical/mental issues. 

[vvvslaxman]

On 12/16/2022 at 3:55 PM, dilliboy said:

Tougher pitches coupler with DRS giving more decisions in bowler's favour. Don't think the quality of batsmen has gone down at all

 

Labuschagne is fairly unaffected by DRS, 

[gattaca]

On 12/16/2022 at 7:15 AM, express bowling said:

1)   Because there is no accountability for most of the top batsmen.

 

In the 1990s or 2000s, a Rahane

, averaging 32 or 33 for his last 50 tests,  would not have survived for this long. 

 

Even Pujara and Kohli have not performed for the last 3 years but they still survived till Pujara gets to play against Bangladesh with only 2 or 3 fit bowlers. 

 

Superstars like Kohli survive in every era due to the backing they have from sponsors, but earlier, Rahane and Pujara would have been dropped much earlier.

 

Rahul has played 40 odd tests averaging 34 or 35.  When he was young and performing, he was dropped for Dhawan in 2017. Now, 5 years later when he is the Senior, he gets chances despite having such a low average. 

 

2)   Too many home track or flat track bullies are chosen

 

Dhawan, Mayank, Shreyas and even Rohit fit the bill.

 

This did not happen earlier, when most batters could score outside Asia as well as in Asia. There were some like Sehwag who did well in Australia and WI but failed elsewhere and Tangy who did well in England etc. 

 

3)  Inability to gauge the ceiling of batters and choosing journeymen

 

Like Vihari or Mayank. 

Unfair to label Rohit as home track bully. He has scored well in England and Australia. I will take a home track bully over Kohli, pujara and KLRahul.

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

The thing with someone like him is that he is still relatively young.  He is obviously a gifted batsman and still has time to go back to domestics and fix technical/mental issues. 

His issues are mental more than technical he is scared always. Very hard to score with that mindset.

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

Kela average dropped to 33.44 now ( 47 tests)

 

What a free fall!

it will go below 30 if he keeps getting so many chances

[tapandrun]

Do not think IPL to blame here, the reason is average batters are trusted for too long one good innings here or there ensuring a longer rope.

 

Ind was not able to make any decision on Rahane for 10 years, same with KL its been 10 years he is not been able to Cement his spot in any format.

 

Pant has played more than 80 matches in white-ball still Ind has to look somewhere else every-time, only 1/2 good or noticeable innings. 

Barring the dip in last 2/3 years Only Kolhi and to some extent Pujara can be termed as world class. 

 

Players from other Countries are playing much more T20 leagues than Ind player and most of Ind test batters are not even in starting 11 of their T20 sides.

 

Its been Ind bowling and lower order rescues who has enabled Ind to win matches

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vijy]

27 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Do not think IPL to blame here, the reason is average batters are trusted for too long one good innings here or there ensuring a longer rope.

 

Ind was not able to make any decision on Rahane for 10 years, same with KL its been 10 years he is not been able to Cement his spot in any format.

 

Pant has played more than 80 matches in white-ball still Ind has to look somewhere else every-time, only 1/2 good or noticeable innings. 

Barring the dip in last 2/3 years Only Kolhi and to some extent Pujara can be termed as world class. 

 

Players from other Countries are playing much more T20 leagues than Ind player and most of Ind test batters are not even in starting 11 of their T20 sides.

 

Its been Ind bowling and lower order rescues who has enabled Ind to win matches

 

 

 

 

 

 

pant has done poorly in t20s, but did not receive a consistent run in ODIs and was starting to improve there. rohit needed a much longer rope before he improved in all formats.

[deepdynamo]

After Border-Gavaskar Trophy, career averages:

Rohit - 49 tests, 45.66
Gill - 15 tests, 34.23
Rahul - 47 tests, 33.44
Pujara - 102 tests, 43.89
Kohli - 108 tests, 48.93
Iyer - 10 tests, 44.40

 

[sarchasm]

Indian batting stocks have never been richer. The fearfulness to replace the failing incumbents gives an appearance of decline.

[putrevus]

On 12/16/2022 at 11:09 PM, Trichromatic said:

 

I disagree. Batting averages are similar to 90s.

 

Batsmen enjoyed flat pitches from 2003-2013 and statspadded mostly during that phase.

`1990s was also more batting friendly especially in Asia and England.