Loving Hardik Pandya's captaincy!

[express bowling]

Samson is unlikely to work if he bats at 5 to 7. He has low SR batting in these positions. 

 

Hardik needs to understand this.

 

 

[Trichromatic]

52 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Why is he playing with 2 medium pacers and no fast bowlers ? 

 

 

 

So that he can bowl upfront when isn't doing well with bat.

[express bowling]

31 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

So that he can bowl upfront when isn't doing well with bat.

 

He can do that more logically if there are enforcer pacers to follow in the middle overs.

 

As it stands, both Mukesh and Arshdeep have no value in the middle overs and the only time they can look decent is the first 4 overs. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by express bowling

[putrevus]

So how many guys on here say Pandya is the new age captain .His captaincy is going to make India compete with likes of England.

[IndiaWC8311]

He is a mediocre captain, slightly better than Rohit and Kohli but still way behind MSD. Lacks tactical nous

 

Don't let a fluke GT IPL win fool you.

[putrevus]

MSD lost India more world cups by his idiotic captaincy more so in T20s  than he won but for some geniuses he is a great captain.

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by putrevus

[Lala_is_back]

His captaincy is good in IPL. Overall I think his captaincy skills are better than Rohit.

[vvvslaxman]

Con Pandya

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

So how many guys on here say Pandya is the new age captain .His captaincy is going to make India compete with likes of England.

 

His not using of Chahal against their lower order was a big red flag.  Instead he tossed the ball to Mukesh and Arshdeep

[Norman]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

MSD lost India more world cups by his idiotic captaincy more so in T20s  than he won but for some geniuses he is a great captain.

 

 

He won three different ICC titles and took India to no.1 in Tests in the span of 6 years. You don't do that without being a great captain. Please don't undermine him just to make Kohli look like a better captain than he was.

[R!TTER]

12 minutes ago, Norman said:

took India to no.1 in Tests in the span of 6 years.

Absolute zero to do with him, we had a great batting lineup & won dominating consistently in Asia & competing away. What happened post 2011 WC with him at the helm? Same goes for LO to a lesser extent, because the teams we had were heavyweights!

[Norman]

13 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Absolute zero to do with him, we had a great batting lineup & won dominating consistently in Asia & competing away. What happened post 2011 WC with him at the helm? Same goes for LO to a lesser extent, because the teams we had were heavyweights!

 

 

Disagree on the "absolute zero to do with him" part. Remember our bowling attack was pretty average back then and the wickets weren't the bunsen burners we see today in India. He used to use Bhajji, Zak and Ishant in the most efficient way and even brought the best of Ojha and Mishra. 

 

Coming to LO format, yes...he did faulter in the later stages of his captaincy career but he deserved to captain our white ball sides until he was a capable batter/wk. There's a reason why he got such a long rope and that is by winning half the ICC events played between 2007-2013. 

[Norman]

Coming to the topic, I feel people are overreacting a lot after just a couple of games in this meaningless series. Had we won and Pandya took some good strategic decisions, everyone here would have undermined his captaincy.

 

I'd give him the 2024 T20 wc and the CT 2025 before judging his captaincy credentials. 

[R!TTER]

Our best years started under Kumble, one could argue Dravid but he had less to show for his efforts & had massive infamy with the 07 WC exit, any way we competed well in Oz 2007/08 & could've won if not for *nor. Beat the hell out of everyone at home from 06/07 to 11/12 & also won in NZ, drew in SA etc. Zaheer was in great form at the time, till Eng 2011 tour, & Harbhajan was serviceable. Our backbone was our batting that's why we competed regularly almost everywhere. And that batting had nothing to do with MS - I can credit a few crucial games to him like Nagpur 2008, then maybe SL 3rd test 2010 before it all went downhill post WI tour in 2011 - we really should've won that series 2-0 & that's IMO when the cracks really started to appear. As we went on backfoot, as a team, far more regularly after that.

 

13 minutes ago, Norman said:

he did faulter in the later stages of his captaincy career

Nope, the WT20 2009(?) in Eng had major shades of his upcoming incompetency! Why did he put an in super hot form Yuvraj so low down the order & promoted an absolute rookie in Jadeja on top? Similarly in 2010 WI when Watson whacked him our of the attack. Don't remember what happened in 2012 WT20 but yeah nothing we saw regularly for the next 10 years! Basically any time under pressure he looked clueless at least half the time IMO & he hid behind a lot of other (young)batters in major chases as well. Just like 2015 WC or 2019 WC, everyone blames Yuvraj for that WT20 loss to SL but he wasn't exactly in great form, what the * did he do everywhere else? If it wasn't for Yuvraj's innings or bowling we don't win 2007 or 2011 trophies!

Edited August 7, 2023 by R!TTER

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Norman said:

 

 

Disagree on the "absolute zero to do with him" part. Remember our bowling attack was pretty average back then and the wickets weren't the bunsen burners we see today in India. He used to use Bhajji, Zak and Ishant in the most efficient way and even brought the best of Ojha and Mishra. 

 

Coming to LO format, yes...he did faulter in the later stages of his captaincy career but he deserved to captain our white ball sides until he was a capable batter/wk. There's a reason why he got such a long rope and that is by winning half the ICC events played between 2007-2013. 

 

In Tests he sucked. In ODIs he touched both ends. Better than not reaching one end. There are a few players he needlessly backed. Other than that he built a better LOI unit than Kohli. Gambhir would have been a good captain too.Rohit conned us with his IPL wins. Very lethargic and showed no energy. With Kohli you can give the best of the best. He ain't winning anything. He will lose it at some stage of the game.

[zen]

Sir Don is expected to get better with more challenges thrown at him

 

His attitude is refreshing as even in losses he looks at positives such as "no dead rubber" as he said during the ODI series in WI (and of course hit a 70* in the decider)!

 

 

 

[wazza]

Hardik is mentally strong so i dont mind. But doesn't mean I won't stop calling him names. 

Just don't be biased in terms of selection. Samja? 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, wazza said:

Hardik is mentally strong so i dont mind. But doesn't mean I won't stop calling him names. 

Just don't be biased in terms of selection. Samja? 

mighty undercutter needs to play as much as possible

[Sean Bradley]

Lol this thread has not aged well! Mai karke aaya hai captain chapri, Captain Garad, Captain Chaman Jhinga, Captain Babu Jalela! 

 

I can only find these kind of names for my new age captain fool.

[singhvivek141]

12 hours ago, Norman said:

Coming to the topic, I feel people are overreacting a lot after just a couple of games in this meaningless series. Had we won and Pandya took some good strategic decisions, everyone here would have undermined his captaincy.

 

I'd give him the 2024 T20 wc and the CT 2025 before judging his captaincy credentials. 

Losses are fine, but the issue is in the name of "youngsters" we are getting the dose of the same old domestic rejects who have faltered to perform in internationals.

Pandya was our middle overs enforcer and a hard hitting batsman at the end overs..now he is trying to become a new ball swing bowler and an accumulator. This throws off the likes of Mukesh Kumar off the hook as they are useless throughout, so now players are trying to play a role which they are incapable of. Ideally an Umran should have played if Mukesh wasn't going to share new ball.

 

Tilak is playing at no 4 and usually that's the spot he prefers..maybe he can bat at no 5 as well. But the question mark on no 6 is not yet solved. Hardik, Sanju, Axar all are incapable of batting at no 6..they are either no 7 or a no 3/4 batter. That's where Rinku Singh was precious.

 

Yashasvi should play the third T20, but which means one of Ishan Kishan or Gill has to come down. That will again upset the whole combination.

 

This series was tagged as "saare jawab milenge"..so far all it has done is raise even more questions on our strategy and the panic in the dressing room.