Same issue of experienced batsmen lining up to bat in the top order (#1-3) in ODI bilaterals

[zen]

It is 2023 and India is still suffering from the same old problem of experienced batsmen lining up to bat in the top order (#1-3). Against SL and now NZ, we could have had a top 3 of Gill, Kishan, & SKY/Iyer, but 2 of the 3 slots were occupied by Rohit & Kohli, who could have slotted themselves in the middle order. 

 

Basically, even newcomers are versatile but these two greedy dinosaurs still haven't shown the flexibility to bat down and develop other players for the team.  

 

What is BCCI doing?

 

[sandeep]

Virat should be batting #4 now.  And Rohit at least has tried of late to be more proactive in the powerplay - earlier he used to tuktuk the **** out of the powerplay.  But yeah, agree 100%.   

[Bigg Brother]

Nothing is going to happen. This is India. Even Gill and co (whoever opens and comes one down ) will become stat-padder. You become what you see. Like in government jobs, juniors learn from seniors about how not to do work and how to escape away from responsibility. 10 yrs down the line,we will be talking about current youngsters' lot with same problem as well.

[Suhaan]

24 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

Nothing is going to happen. This is India. Even Gill and co (whoever opens and comes one down ) will become stat-padder. You become what you see. Like in government jobs, juniors learn from seniors about how not to do work and how to escape away from responsibility. 10 yrs down the line,we will be talking about current youngsters' lot with same problem as well.

Exactly

[nevada]

Even against SL, AFTER the series had already been won, our batting order was not shuffled to give chance to new batsmen. A team which always seeks "safety" will never progress. Venturing out of the comfort zone is essential to take the team to the next level. We will remain perennial semifinalists or worse with the current approach. 

[SRT100]

14 minutes ago, nevada said:

Even against SL, AFTER the series had already been won, our batting order was not shuffled to give chance to new batsmen. A team which always seeks "safety" will never progress. Venturing out of the comfort zone is essential to take the team to the next level. We will remain perennial semifinalists or worse with the current approach. 

 

This was exactly the pattern that happened in the last WC, our moronic team had 1,2 and 3 winning and smashing sides and come the WC failed.

 

They never afforded the middle order the luxury and opportunity to bat higher up and were exposed in the SEMI final.

 

All the BCCI want is SEMI final qualification. Winning the WC is irrelevant to them.

[tweaker]

The team should identify the main problems and address them

 

Rohit ,Virat are going to bat at no 1 and 3 position. 

 

Gill is going to open with Rohit

 

If team management wad not adamant on Rahul ,Kishan would have opened after his double hundred, This would have led to

 

A left handed batsman

A aggresive batsman

A wk batsman as opener ,it would have given flexibility to choose an all-rounder, a extra batsman or bowler.

 

Surya should be made a no 4 batsman and he should be given a long run.

 

Now the batting order 

 

Rohit

Gill

Virat

Ishan

Surya

 

Now the batting looks sorted and Kishan,Gill and Surya can interchange their position as per opposition, pitch etc.

 

The problem with our top order is none can bowl some overs between them.Pandya seems to have fitness problems. Venkatesh Iyer ,Tewatia should have been tried by now

[speedracer]

We are winning the WC. Hook or by crook. Let's make that clear.

 

 

[Bigg Brother]

1 hour ago, speedracer said:

We are winning the WC. Hook or by crook. Let's make that clear.

 

 

No WC isn't halwa... 2011 was different. Even there we had to huff and puff at home .  Don't be delusional about home ground advantage. We barely made to SF of wt20 2016 India. Indian team dont have home advantage and also the team is pathetic who don't want to win.. It will be retirement series for Rohit,Kohli..Nothing else. 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Bigg Brother

[speedracer]

28 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

No WC isn't halwa... 2011 was different. Even there we had to huff and puff at home .  Don't be delusional about home ground advantage. We barely made to SF of wt20 2016 India. Indian team dont have hime advantage and also the team is pathetic who don't want to win.. It will be retirement series for Rohit,Kohli..Nothing else. 

We are definitely winning it. 100%

 Otherwise the cricketers houses are going to burned down.

[speedracer]

31 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

No WC isn't halwa... 2011 was different. Even there we had to huff and puff at home .  Don't be delusional about home ground advantage. We barely made to SF of wt20 2016 India. Indian team dont have hime advantage and also the team is pathetic who don't want to win.. It will be retirement series for Rohit,Kohli..Nothing else. 

T20 is full lottery. When cewhtiyapas England and Aussies play us,we will probably put out turners and screw them in the buttholes like we should. 

 

Just hoping we have some injuries so all the good players can play.

[nevada]

1 hour ago, Bigg Brother said:

No WC isn't halwa... 2011 was different. Even there we had to huff and puff at home .  Don't be delusional about home ground advantage. We barely made to SF of wt20 2016 India. Indian team dont have hime advantage and also the team is pathetic who don't want to win.. It will be retirement series for Rohit,Kohli..Nothing else. 

Forget the WC, we barely managed to finis ahead in the ODI against NZ! Our batsmen neither have the guts to go for 400 scores when given a road to bat on nor do they have competency to play on a spinning wicket. This team seems incapable of enjoying home advantage! 

[R!TTER]

Well lots of chumps here claimed that Brat was the perfect guy at 3 even in the 2019 WC, when I gave real good reasons for him batting at 4, not to mention his best WC innings (in 2011 WC final) till date was also at number 4 but alas 

[Bigg Brother]

36 minutes ago, speedracer said:

T20 is full lottery. When cewhtiyapas England and Aussies play us,we will probably put out turners and screw them in the buttholes like we should. 

 

Just hoping we have some injuries so all the good players can play.

LMAO. Our own players can't play spin and our spinners don't turn the ball...

[R!TTER]

2 minutes ago, nevada said:

This team seems incapable of enjoying home advantage! 

The team is perfectly capable, given we have around 2-3 options for virtually each slot now! What we need is smart planning & good tactics, not assholes trying to be Rambo in useless bilaterals & turning pussies in WC pressure cooker games 

[speedracer]

Just now, Bigg Brother said:

LMAO. Our own players can't play spin and our spinners don't turn the ball...

Who said they will play. We will pick the best players and drop oldies. I hope

[Bigg Brother]

3 minutes ago, speedracer said:

Who said they will play. We will pick the best players and drop oldies. I hope

Are you Chetan Sharma?? Or Dravid??

[cricketfan28]

too late to change now, better fail with seniors else the lesson won't be learned.

[Sooda]

7 hours ago, zen said:

It is 2023 and India is still suffering from the same old problem of experienced batsmen lining up to bat in the top order (#1-3). Against SL and now NZ, we could have had a top 3 of Gill, Kishan, & SKY/Iyer, but 2 of the 3 slots were occupied by Rohit & Kohli, who could have slotted themselves in the middle order. 

 

Basically, even newcomers are versatile but these two greedy dinosaurs still haven't shown the flexibility to bat down and develop other players for the team.  

 

What is BCCI doing?

 

 

I thought that Virat should bat at 4 even at the last world cup, the solution to our so called no 4 problem was staring us on the face !

 

Couldn't agree more though. Virat and Rohit (and Siraj and Shami) should be playing Ranji trophy to prep for Aus. SKY and Kishan should be in there instead. We don't try out bench strength even in dead rubbers let alone pointless bi laterals...when it comes to clutch moments and we need them to perform they don't have the experience

 

Squad could have been

 

Gill, Kishan, Gaekwad, SKY, Hardik, Sundar Tewatia Shabaz Kuldeep Umran Arshdeep

 

Shaw, Patidar, Shardul, Chahal

 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Sooda

[Adamant]

6 hours ago, SRT100 said:

 

 

They never afforded the middle order the luxury and opportunity to bat higher up and were exposed in the SEMI final.

 

Didn't the middle order also get exposed in the semifinals, atleast the top 3 made runs in the league matches, the good for nothing MO failed everywhere.