sandeep Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, LordPrabhzy said: Do you feel by playing in County which mostly is now played in the first and back end of the english summer ( MAy and september) which only is helpful for trundlers ( this is admitted by english cricketers themselves) how will this improve Arshdeep in his red ball cricket. I get if he was signed up to play for the white ball tournaments in England then yes more Indias should come play that. But if you arent a IndianTest regular or in line for playing Tests then this move is simply puzzling and doesnt add much value For a young player, its a good experience to play in a different environment. Bowling with the dukes ball, in English conditions, soaking in how the county pros play their cricket, the expectation on him as an overseas signing to lead the bowling unit in some way - these are all positives. Look, I don't mean to come across as harsh, and I may have. But I think you are unnecessarily pigeon-holing players based on your own personal perception, not even evaluation, of what you think a player is, or can be. That's quite silly tbh, especially when it comes to young players. Link to comment
sandeep Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, zen said: The no-ball specialist can play whatever he wants as along as he is kept away from the Indian team (apart from filling in if required in bilaterals) unnecessary vitriol hurled at a young player. If it was some pimply kid who was a newbie around here, or someone habitually guilty of such ignorant 'hot takes', that would be one thing. Disappointing to see someone capable of capable contributions to the forum, slide down that slipper slope of silliness.... Link to comment
Stuge Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, sandeep said: Not sure why OP is so upset about this. Its a good move by a young player to learn about conditions in England and develop his skillset. Add to that he's a leftarmer. Its hard to find a negative here of any sort. So again, not clear why any Indian fan wouldn't be happy about this. Unless you have some sort of pathological obsession with 'hating' on pace bowlers who aren't express.... OP is upset as if he is going to play in county on tax payers money Under_Score and Trichromatic 2 Link to comment
LordPrabhzy Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, sandeep said: For a young player, its a good experience to play in a different environment. Bowling with the dukes ball, in English conditions, soaking in how the county pros play their cricket, the expectation on him as an overseas signing to lead the bowling unit in some way - these are all positives. Look, I don't mean to come across as harsh, and I may have. But I think you are unnecessarily pigeon-holing players based on your own personal perception, not even evaluation, of what you think a player is, or can be. That's quite silly tbh, especially when it comes to young players. Im not pigeon holing anyone merely stating facts. IF by some miracle Arshdeep makes the test team it will be due to his IPL breakthrough ( just like Bumrah) but the difference is he neither has the pace or quality to match Bumrah to play tests for India. If he was a potential for tests then I would welcome this I am merely stating my opinion on where BEST value be achieved based on where HE is when it comes to playing the format for Team India I wish him the best of luck on his stint even if its only for 4 matches.. Link to comment
LordPrabhzy Posted March 17, 2023 Author Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Stuge said: OP is upset as if he is going to play in county on tax payers money Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 In the world T20 if i am right Arshdeep generated one of the highest swing. Also in swinging conditions at Trivandrum he wreaked havoc against SA reducing them to 8 for 5. A guy like him can be more than handy with Duke balls. He can run through sides. Infact 135 to 140 kph bowlers are more effective in English conditions. Look at Robinson. He hardly has any pace. But he is having a decent record everywhere. Chakdephatte and wanted_desi 1 1 Link to comment
Stuge Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Trichromatic said: He is international cricketer. That is enough to justify his selection. There are enough spots in county cricket. as per OP ...abbey chal . Link to comment
Texan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 If the County team wants to pick him, then why object? It is good for him. I do think his style of bowling may suit early conditions in the County season. So, good for him. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Texan said: If the County team wants to pick him, then why object? It is good for him. I do think his style of bowling may suit early conditions in the County season. So, good for him. Zaheer lacked discipline until he joined the county replacing AKhtar for worcestershire. That was his turning point. Picked 78 wickets. Until that point his bowlinlg average was 36 or something. He brought it down to 32 after that. His under-19 batchmates Nagarkoti, Mavi, Porel are yet to make a name for themselves at the international. This guy was not even a regular. It is impressive to see him come thus far. Lord 1 Link to comment
Number Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 County stint totally changed Zaheer as a longer format bowler. Hope it works for Arshdeep. If he can get his pace range in 135-140, he can be our Trent Boult. sandeep 1 Link to comment
Stuge Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 11 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Indian TM is not selecting county teams. ICFers is trying to give competition to padosis now . Chakdephatte 1 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Funny , people are questioning the decision of a player as to how he can improve his game . The player himself knows better what can help him. He has problems with his run up & no balls and also lost some control over length after injury. Bowling long spells should help him address these on priority. If a guy wants to improve what is the issue people have ? . Actually one should appreciate that he will playing and improving his skill during off season rather than wasting his time. Its not that he has been selected for Indian team . A county has agreed to take him. He forte is swing and England is a better place to hone that skill further. What he will become in future ,no body knows , if he does not progress well ,he may not get selected in longer format. Hate for trundlers should not make people to talk loosely when a player is making honest effort to improve. Disappointing ! Chakdephatte 1 Link to comment
Adamant Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 He will be really useful in English conditions with his ability to swing the ball. Horses for courses. Lord 1 Link to comment
Adamant Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) These are the same guys who want Umran to play tests despite him hardly having any domestic performance just because he is Phaast! like the 32 averaging Brett Lee. Edited March 18, 2023 by Adamant sandeep and Chakdephatte 1 1 Link to comment
Stuge Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Adamant said: These are the same guys who want Umran to play tests despite him hardly having any domestic performance just because he is Phaast! like the 32 averaging Brett Lee. @Malcolm Merlyn Link to comment
LordPrabhzy Posted March 18, 2023 Author Share Posted March 18, 2023 3 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said: Funny , people are questioning the decision of a player as to how he can improve his game . The player himself knows better what can help him. He has problems with his run up & no balls and also lost some control over length after injury. Bowling long spells should help him address these on priority. If a guy wants to improve what is the issue people have ? . Actually one should appreciate that he will playing and improving his skill during off season rather than wasting his time. Its not that he has been selected for Indian team . A county has agreed to take him. He forte is swing and England is a better place to hone that skill further. What he will become in future ,no body knows , if he does not progress well ,he may not get selected in longer format. Hate for trundlers should not make people to talk loosely when a player is making honest effort to improve. Disappointing ! If he was playing the majority of the season then yes your point is valid. He’s playing for 4 matches only.. not enough to transform him into a better bowler.. Link to comment
sage Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 This thread feels like I'm on an ardent Kent supporters forum so angry with the pick Under_Score and sandeep 2 Link to comment
zen Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, sandeep said: unnecessary vitriol hurled at a young player. If it was some pimply kid who was a newbie around here, or someone habitually guilty of such ignorant 'hot takes', that would be one thing. Disappointing to see someone capable of capable contributions to the forum, slide down that slipper slope of silliness.... What vitriol? … Appear as if one has to write in a simple way like “Arshdeep, because of his problems such as with no balls in LOIs and fielding (and availability of better options), is to be treated like a backup bowler for Team India. Outside of that he should be free to play whatever and wherever he wants to improve his game (or whatever) … Disappointed with how one has to dumb it down (maybe even remove traces of humor) to get a point across! Edited March 18, 2023 by zen sandeep 1 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Undercutter should get gig in county..he may be in scheme of things of test cricket for India Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 he is not that impressive from what I have seen, but I think it is a good thing he is trying to improve - we can at least commend his atittude Link to comment
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