Hardik Pandya vs Irfan Pathan

[Sooda]

16 hours ago, sarchasm said:

Pathan's bowling was overrated. Pandya's bowling is underrated - if you can look past his propensity to get injured. I thought Pandya's bowling was top notch in that test series against ENG. He also bowled competently in South Africa.

 

Too bad we never got to see Pandya bowl in tests in AUS because my feel is that he'd have prospered bowling there in the company of Bumrah, Ishant, Shami and Siraj.

 

Exactly the opposite when it comes to Pandya and Irfan's batting - vastly overrated for Pandya while Irfan had a solid defensive technique in addition to his hitting ability.

 

But above all, I never warmed up to Irfan as a cricketer because he was a bit of coward. Beyond the initial promise and talent, he just capitulated every time the pressure was on. Zaheer was pretty similar.

 

That is very wrong sorry. The reason why he was tried out as an opener and no 3 was because he was willing to put his hand up for the benefit of the team, probably to the detriment of his career: the opposite of a coward. This is a guy who went in at no 3 against Lee, Tait, Johnson,  Clark at Perth and scored 40 odd.

 

In the end he didn't fulfill his huge potential but that's down to mismanagement as well. He was not lazy (in fact probably the opposite built muscle to increase pace and lost his swing)

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, Sooda said:

 

That is very wrong sorry. The reason why he was tried out as an opener and no 3 was because he was willing to put his hand up for the benefit of the team, probably to the detriment of his career: the opposite of a coward. This is a guy who went in at no 3 against Lee, Tait, Johnson,  Clark at Perth and scored 40 odd.

 

In the end he didn't fulfill his huge potential but that's down to mismanagement as well. He was not lazy (in fact probably the opposite built muscle to increase pace and lost his swing)

 

He was a genuine fighter though. Put up some clutch performances. He had the technique of a specialist batsman both against pace and spin. Very bankable player down the order even when he was young. In the Lahore test when Umar Gul ran through our top order he put up a 100 plus partnership for 8th wicket with Yuvi. He was only 19. Also bowled 44 overs.

[Sooda]

7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He was a genuine fighter though. Put up some clutch performances. He had the technique of a specialist batsman both against pace and spin. Very bankable player down the order even when he was young. In the Lahore test when Umar Gul ran through our top order he put up a 100 plus partnership for 8th wicket with Yuvi. He was only 19. Also bowled 44 overs.

Yep I remember him and Balaji pounding in on those pattas. Totally outvoted their pacers

[Majestic]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Pandya- Apart from his off field antics and kind of off putting behaviour he is doing what he is supposed to do.  He plays at no.5/6 his batting may or may not come off.

               Additionally before Sky he had to do play high risk as being the only so called hitter in the team. And as often happens in Ind team once they cement their places

               and/or become captain they try to play for personal milestones rather than playing for the team-this habit goes v.deep in Ind cricket.

 

Pathan- Was a bowler who had some batting ability, which most of the bowler around the world have- Starc, Cummis, Afridi, and many others can do bit of batting.

              The problem with Ind set-up is we do not have bowlers who could bat and who ever can bat a bit Ind team tries to make an allrounder out of them and then they lose                whatever bowling ability they have. Ind considers Axar as alrounder just because he can bat a bit.

The problem is Ind does not produce quality allrounders and the bowler can not bat. 

 

In ODIs, more is expected from #5-6. No hundreds in his entire ODI career is still a blemish especially with that bowling average of 37.

 

I rate Pandya in T20s but in ODIs, he leaves a lot to desire.

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, Majestic said:

In ODIs, more is expected from #5-6. No hundreds in his entire ODI career is still a blemish especially with that bowling average of 37.

 

I rate Pandya in T20s but in ODIs, he leaves a lot to desire.

 

He is a highly injury prone bowler.  You can't bank on him. I am doubtful about this world cup as well.

[Lord]

On 8/18/2023 at 12:35 PM, sarchasm said:

Pathan's bowling was overrated. Pandya's bowling is underrated - if you can look past his propensity to get injured. I thought Pandya's bowling was top notch in that test series against ENG. He also bowled competently in South Africa.

 

Too bad we never got to see Pandya bowl in tests in AUS because my feel is that he'd have prospered bowling there in the company of Bumrah, Ishant, Shami and Siraj.

 

Exactly the opposite when it comes to Pandya and Irfan's batting - vastly overrated for Pandya while Irfan had a solid defensive technique in addition to his hitting ability.

 

But above all, I never warmed up to Irfan as a cricketer because he was a bit of coward. Beyond the initial promise and talent, he just capitulated every time the pressure was on. Zaheer was pretty similar.

 

Pathan's bowling was not overrated, atleast not before injury. Left armer swinging it in to RHB at decent pace is gold. He too would've done well in SA/Eng if he played. Injury marred both players.

[Suhaan]

Pandya certainly not is the most talented player in the current side

He's has some utility as bowler,

I have found two ways where he can be utilised

1)He comes down at 8 starts throwing kitchen sink at everything(which is not possible either as of now due to his regression with the bat)but still

2)To arrest a slide at the top can come at 3,4

 

 

[Vijy]

On 8/19/2023 at 10:50 AM, Suhaan said:

Pandya certainly not is the most talented player in the current side

He's has some utility as bowler,

I have found two ways where he can be utilised

1)He comes down at 8 starts throwing kitchen sink at everything(which is not possible either as of now due to his regression with the bat)but still

2)To arrest a slide at the top can come at 3,4

 

 

can't hit any more, so (1) is ruled out. dhongi could arrest collapses despite wonky technique, but pandu does not give that confidence, so (2) is ruled out as well

[Adamant]

There's no comparison as far as talent is concerned. 

 

Pathan was a way better bowler, just bcoz Pandya can bowl 140 doesn't make him better, anyone who says so doesn't understand fast bowling at all. 

Pathan was as good as a frontline bowler, Pandya can never do that. 

 

Their batting talent is somewhat similar but I'd still take Pathan. 

 

 

Pandya is not even as good as Yusuf Pathan let alone Irfan. 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Even yesterday he won a match in T10 defending  9 runs while conceding just 3 runs in 10th over

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/us-masters-t10-2023-1392256/california-knights-vs-atlanta-riders-17th-match-1392273/full-scorecard

[Serpico]

Irfan had a very short, injury prone career. But he did win a world cup with a match winning performance in the final in that short span so kudos to him. He could have been a bigger star if he debuted in ipl and social media era, probably

 

Pandya too has a short and injury prone international career so far but don't have much to show in his resume as far as results are concerned. Somehow failed upwards into the captaincy. Indicates lack of leadership skills in ICT today more than pandya's ability 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Serpico

[vvvslaxman]

Back to back man of the match. Irfan. Now for batting firs tone for bowling   31 runs in 13 balls

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/us-masters-t10-2023-1392256/new-jersey-triton-s-vs-california-knights-19th-match-1392275/full-scorecard

 

This is what all rounders should do. Capable of winning matches with ball and bat.

[jf1gp_1]

Hardik doesn't play test so no point comparing the two in red ball. White ball Hardik is a far better batsman then Irfan. As a bowler Irfan was a frontline bowler who started with bang but lost his way. Hardik is your 6th bowler and has done well in that role. I like Irfan but would take Pandya over him any day.

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

I like Irfan but would take Pandya over him any day.

Recent Pandya is so much aweful with the bat that you can compare him with random no 10,11 of other top sides

Pathan compensates somehow in Bowling too,so Pandya noway hands down superior

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Recent Pandya is so much aweful with the bat that you can compare him with random no 10,11 of other top sides

Pathan compensates somehow in Bowling too,so Pandya noway hands down superior

70(52) in last match. Not that bads.

 

Pandya's batting seems to have become ODI oriented while bowling is good in T20s. But ODI batting is still below standard as he often gets out after scoring 20-30 runs.

[jf1gp_1]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Recent Pandya is so much aweful with the bat that you can compare him with random no 10,11 of other top sides

Pathan compensates somehow in Bowling too,so Pandya noway hands down superior

 

lets define recent. Last 10 ODIs. Show me some random 10,11 with better batting stats that Pandya's last 10 games. 

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

 

lets define recent. Last 10 ODIs. Show me some random 10,11 with better batting stats that Pandya's last 10 games. 

When he sees himself as top order bat,he will certainly have better stats than no 10,11

But does he have the game and skill to bat at 5,6 against decent attacks

I believe he's a better bowler than a batsman,but it's really upto him give regular 7-8 overs to his side

 

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, Majestic said:

70(52) in last match. Not that bads.

 

Pandya's batting seems to have become ODI oriented while bowling is good in T20s. But ODI batting is still below standard as he often gets out after scoring 20-30 runs.

 

Technically Pathan is far superior. He can literally bat anywhere even open the innings against swinging new ball. In current field restriction, 2 new ball era his record would be far better. Pandya has the luxury to play tuk tuk cricket. Irfan was quiet often used as pinch hitter, slogger down the order. Pandya being unable to play that role has changed himself into tuk tuker. Pathan could easily do that role eyes closed.  Forget about Past Irfan. For pure batting i would pick even 38 year old pathan over Pandya as he has a solid basic technique.  Pandya is a limited player who hits when it is in the hitting zone. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Technically Pathan is far superior. He can literally bat anywhere even open the innings against swinging new ball. In current field restriction, 2 new ball era his record would be far better. Pandya has the luxury to play tuk tuk cricket. Irfan was quiet often used as pinch hitter, slogger down the order. Pandya being unable to play that role has changed himself into tuk tuker. Pathan could easily do that role eyes closed.  Forget about Past Irfan. For pure batting i would pick even 38 year old pathan over Pandya as he has a solid basic technique.  Pandya is a limited player who hits when it is in the hitting zone. 

Irfan came from a solid domestic batting factory era...  His basics were always good. 

Pandu was basically a gully mohalla player when he came..  With better bowling credentials than batting.  It was more like on the job training as a 22-23 year old. 

Irfan was a Teenage sensation otoh. 

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Technically Pathan is far superior. He can literally bat anywhere even open the innings against swinging new ball. In current field restriction, 2 new ball era his record would be far better. Pandya has the luxury to play tuk tuk cricket. Irfan was quiet often used as pinch hitter, slogger down the order. Pandya being unable to play that role has changed himself into tuk tuker. Pathan could easily do that role eyes closed.  Forget about Past Irfan. For pure batting i would pick even 38 year old pathan over Pandya as he has a solid basic technique.  Pandya is a limited player who hits when it is in the hitting zone. 

Pandya's technique is fine as well, it's just that he doesn't play longer formats and mostly plays T20s and IPL which is why he hasn't been able to cover his technical bases well. Pathan was all format player and was equipped with his technique well.