Hardik Pandya vs Irfan Pathan

[Suhaan]

As the thread topic suggests,we are here to discuss their skills,ability and value to the side

Pathan --

Bowling

 

Batting --

Batting

 

 

 

Hardik Pandya --

Bowling

Although tests,watch 1:54 onwards

Batting

 

 

Pathan being was a wonderful new ball bowler while i like Pandya as first change ,he is a smart operator in middle overs

Pathan too had great potential like Pandya with the bat,but Pandya's downfall as a batsman has not help his cause either

 

Discuss in detail about the two skilled Seaming ARs in recent times we have had

 

@Norman @express bowling @Vijy @AKane @Frustrated@zen @Austin 3:!6 @vvvslaxman@Lord @Mosher @deepdynamo @Majestic  @BacktoCricaddict @singhvivek141  

@rkt.india @nevada @raki05@Bigg Brother

@Lone Wolf@rollingstoned@sarchasm

[rollingstoned]

40 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

As the thread topic suggests,we are here to discuss their skills,ability and value to the side

Pathan --

Bowling

 

Batting --

Batting

 

 

 

 

Hardik Pandya --

Bowling

Although tests,watch 1:54 onwards

Batting

 

 

Pathan being was a wonderful new ball bowler while i like Pandya as first change ,he is a smart operator in middle overs

Pathan too had great potential like Pandya with the bat,but Pandya's downfall as a batsman has not help his cause either

 

Discuss in detail about the two skilled Seaming ARs in recent times we have had

 

@Norman @express bowling @Vijy @AKane @Frustrated@zen @Austin 3:!6 @vvvslaxman@Lord @Mosher @deepdynamo @Majestic  @BacktoCricaddict @singhvivek141  

@rkt.india @nevada @raki05@Bigg Brother

@Lone Wolf@rollingstoned@sarchasm

Pathan was a victim of Kapil dev-itis ie the attempt to try and turn any bowler who could bat into an allrounder. Agarkar also suffered from this for a long time. He wasn't managed correctly after Chappell became coach or he would have become an even better bowler which was why he started picking up too many injuries. 

I think in terms of raw talent and potential he was well above Pandya.

[express bowling]

Pathan was a frontline bowler who could bat somewhat. He had one dominant skill. Weakness was that he lacked pace and his strength was swing. 

 

Hardik is nether a frontline batter nor a frontline bowler nowadays.  He lacks any dominant skill. 

 

Hardik adds value if he assumes the role of a lower-middle order slogger and hit the deck pacer bowling 140 k+.  He is doing the latter but his batting has regressed. 

 

[Frustrated]

Pathan was a new ball bowler whose X factor was in-swing and got most dismissals as LBW & Bowled.   Was lethal on pitches which offered even a hint of swing. His only problem was the lack of pace.   Whereas Pandya relies more on bounce. (IMO).   However,  pandya's problem is that he becomes too predictable as a bowler.  Trying to bowl 3 to 4 short balls in an over is not going to work against decent batsmen.  Regarding batting abilities, Pandya used to be a better batsman till 2019 WC.  Right now, he looks like a tail ender capable of slogging a few.  To summarize, pathan was a bit more reliable in atleast 1 dept (ie bowling).  With Pandya, nothing is certain.   

 

[jalebi_bhai]

Pandya is a David Willey level talent. Pandya the better bat, Willey the better bowler. Difference is that Pandya is considered some sort of unicorn talent in India, Willey is a squad player for England.

 

Irfan, before injury, was a proper frontline seamer, one of the best swing bowlers in the world. His batting was a bonus. People forget that the guy was MotM in the World T20 final, and this was post injury.

[Suhaan]

23 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 

Irfan, before injury, was a proper frontline seamer, one of the best swing bowlers in the world. His batting was a bonus. People forget that the guy was MotM in the World T20 final, and this was post injury.

And MoTM in Perth 2008 as well

[Majestic]

With bowl, Pathan was a genuine match winner in first half but became useless in second half.

 

With bat, whatever he gave was just bonus at the start but he worked on his batting ability, started performing more, batted at various positions and started scoring runs. In the T20s era also, he played some good knocks with bat. I remember one with Yousuf vs good SL team where they both chased down 59-60 runs in 5 overs after being 5-6 down. That was a terrific win. 

 

Hardik's bowling is underrated. He is a good bowler when fully fit especially in T20s because in ODIs, he hasn't bowled much and often doesn't seem to be interested bowling lot of overs. With bat, he used to be a good hitter but with experience you are also expected to play bigger and standout knocks which Pandya lacks.

 

Overall, in a long run, Pandya will surpass Pathan in LOIs but in Tests, Pathan will remain ahead due to more memorable performances in his 30 test career compared to Pandya's 11 test career.

[vvvslaxman]

He played some of the toughest sides though at the start. Him and Balaji were the architects of the famous series win in Pakistan. Lot of catches were put down by Indians. But these two kept charging and creating opportunities. Even as a 19 year old bowled like 50 overs in an innings against the mighty aussies who were determined to win a series in India. He even stonewalled for 4 hours as a lower order batsman against Mcgrath/Gillepsie/Warne and made a 50 score. He always looked a capable batsman both against pace and spin. The way he laced 5 fours against Umar gul in one over through off side is still a fond memory for indian fans. As a player he brought more to the table. I

 

Pandya was brought in for his six hitting prowess  rather than for his bowling. He occasionally bowled here and there.  Both as a bowler and batsman Irfan is always going to be ahead as he was a specialist bowler and much closer to specialist batsman.

[deepdynamo]

Pathan was so promising when he burst onto the scene. Bowling at lively pace 135 with consistent swing. It looks like we had found a generational talent since he had  batting talent too. His best was between 2003-2007. But thereafter he couldn't recover after few injuries. Pace dropped to 125 and even though batting remained strong, he faded away rather quickly. I would say an opportunity lost.

 

Pandya is the most hated cricketer right now but the fact is that he hasn't lost his pace till date despite injuries. He also had a power hitting game whoch was rare in India. His downfall started when he tried to model himself on Stokes as a top order bat who can bowl occasionally. He also curbed his attacking game in favour of a safe game. He is still not finished though and still can provide value in white ball. 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

One interesting thing about Irfan pathan is he won the man of the match in his very last ODI.  Took a fifer and scored 29 not out when India was in a spot bother with 10 overs to go. MSD and him added a 50 plus partnership.  More importantly he bowled 10 overs. On his debut 10-0-61-0 On his last match 10-0-61-5 

[Laaloo]

4 hours ago, Suhaan said:

And MoTM in Perth 2008 as well

And that crucial wicket of symonds on a rampage in 2007 T20 WC SF

[singhvivek141]

9 hours ago, Suhaan said:

As the thread topic suggests,we are here to discuss their skills,ability and value to the side

Pathan --

Bowling

 

Batting --

Batting

 

 

 

Hardik Pandya --

Bowling

Although tests,watch 1:54 onwards

Batting

 

 

Pathan being was a wonderful new ball bowler while i like Pandya as first change ,he is a smart operator in middle overs

Pathan too had great potential like Pandya with the bat,but Pandya's downfall as a batsman has not help his cause either

 

Discuss in detail about the two skilled Seaming ARs in recent times we have had

 

@Norman @express bowling @Vijy @AKane @Frustrated@zen @Austin 3:!6 @vvvslaxman@Lord @Mosher @deepdynamo @Majestic  @BacktoCricaddict @singhvivek141  

@rkt.india @nevada @raki05@Bigg Brother

@Lone Wolf@rollingstoned@sarchasm

Pathan was more skillful than Pandya, he can bowl genuine swing deliveries at a brisk pace 132-137 kph and had very good technique to bat in Tests.

 

Unfortunately, what Pathan didn't had was smartness, he ruined his pace while copying Akram then his bowling went completely downhill when he focused more on his batting, later he became fatter and lazy at age of 28-29 itself. Not to mention that he didn't get the support from mgmt which Pandya got.

 

In comparison, Pandya has limited skills with bowl and bat but he is street smart. He knows his limitations and operate within it. Also, credit to him that he has maintained his fitness despite multiple injuries...the way Indian mgmt backs him is a clear proof of the mirage which Pandya has created in eyes of the TM.

[nevada]

7 hours ago, sarchasm said:

Pathan's bowling was overrated. Pandya's bowling is underrated - if you can look past his propensity to get injured. I thought Pandya's bowling was top notch in that test series against ENG. He also bowled competently in South Africa.

 

Too bad we never got to see Pandya bowl in tests in AUS because my feel is that he'd have prospered bowling there in the company of Bumrah, Ishant, Shami and Siraj.

 

Exactly the opposite when it comes to Pandya and Irfan's batting - vastly overrated for Pandya while Irfan had a solid defensive technique in addition to his hitting ability.

 

But above all, I never warmed up to Irfan as a cricketer because he was a bit of coward. Beyond the initial promise and talent, he just capitulated every time the pressure was on. Zaheer was pretty similar.

I wouldn't call him a coward, but his career fizzled out by 2007 itself. He made umpteen comebacks and had a good performance here and ther like the Adelaide Test win in 2007-8,  but with the zip lacking in his bowling, a pedestrian pace of around 115k allowing the keeper to stand up to the stumps, it was painful to watch. Chapell and Dravid overdid his batting responsibilities and adversely affected his primary skill set of bowling.

[Lord]

Pathan was massively under utilized

 

Before injury he was a genuine strike bowler who could provide useful runs at the top. His inswing was very tough to play. That yorker to Gilly.With bat he regularly tonked new ball

 

Even after injury he was great in WT20, Tests in Aus and and had hatrick v Pak, CB Series Final.His last game was MOTM performance. Never played again.

 

Pandya is as talented but always looks to have it easy. Skipped Tests and even in ODI neither bowls upfront or is one of main bats. Bits and pieces.

[Lord]

32 minutes ago, nevada said:

I wouldn't call him a coward, but his career fizzled out by 2007 itself. He made umpteen comebacks and had a good performance here and ther like the Adelaide Test win in 2007-8,  but with the zip lacking in his bowling, a pedestrian pace of around 115k allowing the keeper to stand up to the stumps, it was painful to watch. Chapell and Dravid overdid his batting responsibilities and adversely affected his primary skill set of bowling.

 

He could have been useful in LOIs. Was bowling same speed in WT20 and CB Series.

[putrevus]

Since when Pandya has become allrounder.

 

Pandya  is pure bits and pieces player who is not good in either batting or bowling.

 

If there was no t20s, this guy's shortcomings would have been found out lot sooner .

 

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by putrevus

[zen]

I wouldn’t compare the two as one was primarily a swing bowler who batted without much pressure, while the other is more of a batsman who bowls as 5th-6th bowler.

 

Overall, Sir Don is more talented (probably the most talented cricketer in India currently with the ability to bat almost anywhere in the line up and bowl at pace, serving as an enforcer in the middle overs and as a swing bowler with the new ball) and add to that the dynamics he brings in as a captain (and many say that a good captain is worth 2 players). 
 

 

[raki05]

Pandya has better fashion sense I would give him that ( as i can also import weed from kaneda and be in everlasting orgasm of Haggu Bhai)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Pandya has better fashion sense I would give him that ( as i can also import weed from kaneda and be in everlasting orgasm of Haggu Bhai)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like prabhu deva from 90s movies lol

 

 

[tapandrun]

Pandya- Apart from his off field antics and kind of off putting behaviour he is doing what he is supposed to do.  He plays at no.5/6 his batting may or may not come off.

               Additionally before Sky he had to do play high risk as being the only so called hitter in the team. And as often happens in Ind team once they cement their places

               and/or become captain they try to play for personal milestones rather than playing for the team-this habit goes v.deep in Ind cricket.

 

Pathan- Was a bowler who had some batting ability, which most of the bowler around the world have- Starc, Cummis, Afridi, and many others can do bit of batting.

              The problem with Ind set-up is we do not have bowlers who could bat and who ever can bat a bit Ind team tries to make an allrounder out of them and then they lose                whatever bowling ability they have. Ind considers Axar as alrounder just because he can bat a bit.

The problem is Ind does not produce quality allrounders and the bowler can not bat.