Number Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Need to keep him away from useless T20s. Use him in tests as much as possible, rather than digging pitches and unleashing spiners who can't buy wickets elsewhere. Don't drop him when he has a bad game. Norman, Rightarmfast, singhvivek141 and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment
Lord Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just back him and play him regularly man. No resting westing Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Number said: Need to keep him away from useless T20s. Use him in tests as much as possible, rather than digging pitches and unleashing spiners who can't buy wickets elsewhere. Don't drop him when he has a bad game. I would actually think he is more suited for Tests. T20 & ODI's are fine, but we have other options as well..it's Tests where I am more worried as we end up playing Jaddu or Ashwin in SENA countries where they mostly struggle. Bishnoi is fine bowler for T20's specially. Number 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lord said: Just back him and play him regularly man. No resting westing But how can we play this phast bowler then, when we really really need him? Norman, raki05, nevada and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Yes. And teach him little bit of batting skills as well. We will start as favourites in most ICC tournaments henceforth. raki05 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Terrific performance but I'll wait and see how he does against Aussies in 10 days time. Pak was beyond a joke this match. Happy but let us not carried away yet. raki05 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Gollum said: Terrific performance but I'll wait and see how he does against Aussies in 10 days time. Pak was beyond a joke this match. Happy but let us not carried away yet. He has a hattrick v Aus too IIRC. raki05 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Anyway Saffers will doctor their pitches like crazy this December, we should try Kuldeep. Not sure if he can force his way into the team for tests in SC (Axar batted like Bradman against Aussies in most recent BGT, Sundar too can be 3rd spinner), but in SENA definitely. raki05 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Lord said: He has a hattrick v Aus too IIRC. His actual record is much better away - View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or Bangladesh or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Qualifications five wickets in an inns greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Kuldeep Yadav (IND) 2017-2023 46 47 432.3 28 2010 94 6/25 8/113 21.38 4.64 27.6 5 0 Saeed Ajmal (PAK) 2010-2015 138 158 2145.1 300 7264 302 7/55 10/97 24.05 3.38 42.6 9 2 GP Swann (ENG) 2010-2013 55 73 1238.3 185 4185 138 6/82 10/181 30.32 3.37 53.8 6 2 NM Lyon (AUS) 2011-2023 76 124 2651.0 427 8322 256 8/50 13/154 32.50 3.13 62.1 13 2 Yasir Shah (PAK) 2014-2022 54 84 1973.2 254 6901 197 8/41 14/184 35.03 3.49 60.1 11 2 HMRKB Herath (SL) 2011-2018 69 94 1668.1 254 5175 146 6/43 11/136 35.44 3.10 68.5 6 1 Overall but using slightly different filters - View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or Bangladesh or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Qualifications four wickets in an inns greater than or equal to 10 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Kuldeep Yadav (IND) 2017-2023 88 89 743.3 40 3794 158 6/25 8/113 24.01 5.10 28.2 5 0 R Ashwin (IND) 2016-2023 87 136 2524.1 481 7415 300 7/59 13/140 24.71 2.93 50.4 14 3 HMRKB Herath (SL) 2016-2018 27 45 921.0 160 2755 105 7/64 13/145 26.23 2.99 52.6 7 2 A Zampa (AUS) 2016-2023 131 130 830.1 9 4859 184 5/19 5/19 26.40 5.85 27.0 2 0 RA Jadeja (IND) 2016-2023 113 148 2243.4 424 6900 232 7/42 10/110 29.74 3.07 58.0 8 2 NM Lyon (AUS) 2016-2023 90 146 3359.2 605 9954 315 8/50 13/154 31.60 2.96 63.9 15 3 AU Rashid (ENG) 2016-2023 170 176 1431.4 46 7693 242 5/49 7/178 31.78 5.37 35.4 1 0 Shakib Al Hasan (BAN) 2016-2023 96 107 1079.3 116 4578 139 5/36 10/153 32.93 4.24 46.5 5 1 KA Maharaj (SA) 2016-2023 90 120 1777.0 277 6299 184 9/129 12/283 34.23 3.54 57.9 7 1 MJ Leach (ENG) 2018-2023 30 51 1169.1 202 3749 109 5/66 10/166 34.39 3.20 64.3 5 1 MDK Perera (SL) 2016-2021 37 58 1258.1 145 4270 113 6/32 10/78 37.78 3.39 66.8 5 2 Yasir Shah (PAK) 2016-2022 37 60 1437.4 189 5101 127 8/41 14/184 40.16 3.54 67.9 7 2 MM Ali (ENG) 2016-2023 176 190 2019.3 201 8750 215 6/53 10/112 40.69 4.33 56.3 4 1 Edited September 11, 2023 by R!TTER Link to comment
R!TTER Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 His record will get worse the more he plays away, but his record at home will also get better. Link to comment
Lord Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, Gollum said: Anyway Saffers will doctor their pitches like crazy this December, we should try Kuldeep. Not sure if he can force his way into the team for tests in SC (Axar batted like Bradman against Aussies in most recent BGT, Sundar too can be 3rd spinner), but in SENA definitely. Don't think he will be a factor in SA. Spinners rarely do well there, especially wrist spinners. He can get hammered actually. Spinner's role in SA is just to hold an end. Ash/Jaddu will be fine (considering they score important runs overseas too). Link to comment
R!TTER Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 What? Did you forget SKW or Aubrey Faulkner? Link to comment
Lord Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, R!TTER said: What? Did you forget SKW or Aubrey Faulkner? Warne is obviously an outlier. Faulkner was in amatuer era. Any more examples? Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Last 4 years or so RSA has taken pitch doctoring to another level, that too only against SC sides. Even peak Warne wouldn't have done jack on those pitches. raki05 and Lord 1 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Paul Adams? Not many leggies played there because of Apartheid obviously & the vast majority of previous greats were probably Asians. Post 90's there's exactly 1 great leggie, you know who, so it's not like a massive pool to choose from. You can take Brad Hogg as an example if you limit it to LO games. Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 If they drop him any time soon, I will have to do dharna in front of BCCI HQ. raki05 and Norman 2 Link to comment
nevada Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Number said: Need to keep him away from useless T20s. Use him in tests as much as possible, rather than digging pitches and unleashing spiners who can't buy wickets elsewhere. Don't drop him when he has a bad game. First don't drop him right after MOM performance! express bowling, Number and raki05 3 Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I will reserve my judgement for Tests,variations with the white ball are harder to pick under lights ,a red ball under bright sunlight is quite different.Weather also plays a big role,if it's too cold or windy it's harder for spinners to grip the ball ,specially for wrist spinners. raki05 1 Link to comment
diga Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, MediumPacer said: I will reserve my judgement for Tests,variations with the white ball are harder to pick under lights ,a red ball under bright sunlight is quite different.Weather also plays a big role,if it's too cold or windy it's harder for spinners to grip the ball ,specially for wrist spinners. Most importantly his fitness , still not convinced that he will bowl with same intensity in 2 consecutive tests Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, MediumPacer said: I will reserve my judgement for Tests,variations with the white ball are harder to pick under lights ,a red ball under bright sunlight is quite different.Weather also plays a big role,if it's too cold or windy it's harder for spinners to grip the ball ,specially for wrist spinners. He will be an asset in a unit. He is not going to singlehandedly run through side. But with a bit of support from spinners in subcontinent , bit of support from seamers he can be handy. raki05 1 Link to comment
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