Kuldeep Yadav is a big asset that we have, needs to be managed

[Number]

 

 

Need to keep him away from useless T20s.

Use him in tests as much as possible, rather than digging pitches and unleashing spiners who can't buy wickets elsewhere.

Don't drop him when he has a bad game.

 

 

[Lord]

Just back him and play him regularly man. No resting westing

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, Number said:

 

 

Need to keep him away from useless T20s.

Use him in tests as much as possible, rather than digging pitches and unleashing spiners who can't buy wickets elsewhere.

Don't drop him when he has a bad game.

 

 

I would actually think he is more suited for Tests.

T20 & ODI's are fine, but we have other options as well..it's Tests where I am more worried as we end up playing Jaddu or Ashwin in SENA countries where they mostly struggle.

 

Bishnoi is fine bowler for T20's specially.

[R!TTER]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

Just back him and play him regularly man. No resting westing

But how can we play this phast bowler then, when we really really need him?

[Frustrated]

Yes.  And teach him little bit of batting skills as well.  We will start as favourites in most ICC tournaments henceforth.  

[Gollum]

Terrific performance but I'll wait and see how he does against Aussies in 10 days time. Pak was beyond a joke this match. Happy but let us not carried away yet. 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

Terrific performance but I'll wait and see how he does against Aussies in 10 days time. Pak was beyond a joke this match. Happy but let us not carried away yet. 

 

He has a hattrick v Aus too IIRC. 

[Gollum]

Anyway Saffers will doctor their pitches like crazy this December, we should try Kuldeep.

 

Not sure if he can force his way into the team for tests in SC (Axar batted like Bradman against Aussies in most recent BGT, Sundar too can be 3rd spinner), but in SENA definitely. 

[R!TTER]

12 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

He has a hattrick v Aus too IIRC. 

His actual record is much better away -

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Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Kuldeep Yadav (IND)	2017-2023	46	47	432.3	28	2010	94	6/25	8/113	21.38	4.64	27.6	5	0
Saeed Ajmal (PAK)	2010-2015	138	158	2145.1	300	7264	302	7/55	10/97	24.05	3.38	42.6	9	2
GP Swann (ENG)	2010-2013	55	73	1238.3	185	4185	138	6/82	10/181	30.32	3.37	53.8	6	2
NM Lyon (AUS)	2011-2023	76	124	2651.0	427	8322	256	8/50	13/154	32.50	3.13	62.1	13	2
Yasir Shah (PAK)	2014-2022	54	84	1973.2	254	6901	197	8/41	14/184	35.03	3.49	60.1	11	2
HMRKB Herath (SL)	2011-2018	69	94	1668.1	254	5175	146	6/43	11/136	35.44	3.10	68.5	6	1

 

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Kuldeep Yadav (IND)	2017-2023	88	89	743.3	40	3794	158	6/25	8/113	24.01	5.10	28.2	5	0
R Ashwin (IND)	2016-2023	87	136	2524.1	481	7415	300	7/59	13/140	24.71	2.93	50.4	14	3
HMRKB Herath (SL)	2016-2018	27	45	921.0	160	2755	105	7/64	13/145	26.23	2.99	52.6	7	2
A Zampa (AUS)	2016-2023	131	130	830.1	9	4859	184	5/19	5/19	26.40	5.85	27.0	2	0
RA Jadeja (IND)	2016-2023	113	148	2243.4	424	6900	232	7/42	10/110	29.74	3.07	58.0	8	2
NM Lyon (AUS)	2016-2023	90	146	3359.2	605	9954	315	8/50	13/154	31.60	2.96	63.9	15	3
AU Rashid (ENG)	2016-2023	170	176	1431.4	46	7693	242	5/49	7/178	31.78	5.37	35.4	1	0
Shakib Al Hasan (BAN)	2016-2023	96	107	1079.3	116	4578	139	5/36	10/153	32.93	4.24	46.5	5	1
KA Maharaj (SA)	2016-2023	90	120	1777.0	277	6299	184	9/129	12/283	34.23	3.54	57.9	7	1
MJ Leach (ENG)	2018-2023	30	51	1169.1	202	3749	109	5/66	10/166	34.39	3.20	64.3	5	1
MDK Perera (SL)	2016-2021	37	58	1258.1	145	4270	113	6/32	10/78	37.78	3.39	66.8	5	2
Yasir Shah (PAK)	2016-2022	37	60	1437.4	189	5101	127	8/41	14/184	40.16	3.54	67.9	7	2
MM Ali (ENG)	2016-2023	176	190	2019.3	201	8750	215	6/53	10/112	40.69	4.33	56.3	4	1

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[R!TTER]

His record will get worse the more he plays away, but his record at home will also get better.

[Lord]

9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Anyway Saffers will doctor their pitches like crazy this December, we should try Kuldeep.

 

Not sure if he can force his way into the team for tests in SC (Axar batted like Bradman against Aussies in most recent BGT, Sundar too can be 3rd spinner), but in SENA definitely. 

 

Don't think he will be a factor in SA. Spinners rarely do well there, especially wrist spinners. He can get hammered actually.

 

Spinner's role in SA is just to hold an end. Ash/Jaddu will be fine (considering they score important runs overseas too).

[R!TTER]

What? Did you forget SKW or Aubrey Faulkner?

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

What? Did you forget SKW or Aubrey Faulkner?

 

Warne is obviously an outlier. Faulkner was in amatuer era. Any more examples?

[Gollum]

Last 4 years or so RSA has taken pitch doctoring to another level, that too only against SC sides. Even peak Warne wouldn't have done jack on those pitches. 

[R!TTER]

Paul Adams? Not many leggies played there because of Apartheid obviously & the vast majority of previous greats were probably Asians. Post 90's there's exactly 1 great leggie, you know who, so it's not like a massive pool to choose from. You can take Brad Hogg as an example if you limit it to LO games.

[BacktoCricaddict]

If they drop him any time soon, I will have to do dharna in front of BCCI HQ.

[nevada]

9 hours ago, Number said:

 

 

Need to keep him away from useless T20s.

Use him in tests as much as possible, rather than digging pitches and unleashing spiners who can't buy wickets elsewhere.

Don't drop him when he has a bad game.

 

 

First don't drop him right after MOM performance! 

[MediumPacer]

I will reserve my judgement for Tests,variations with the white ball are harder to pick under lights ,a red ball under bright sunlight is quite different.Weather also plays a big role,if it's too cold or windy it's harder for spinners to grip the ball  ,specially for wrist spinners.

[diga]

1 minute ago, MediumPacer said:

I will reserve my judgement for Tests,variations with the white ball are harder to pick under lights ,a red ball under bright sunlight is quite different.Weather also plays a big role,if it's too cold or windy it's harder for spinners to grip the ball  ,specially for wrist spinners.

Most importantly his fitness , still not convinced that he will bowl with same intensity in 2 consecutive tests

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

I will reserve my judgement for Tests,variations with the white ball are harder to pick under lights ,a red ball under bright sunlight is quite different.Weather also plays a big role,if it's too cold or windy it's harder for spinners to grip the ball  ,specially for wrist spinners.

 

He will be an asset in a unit. He is not going to singlehandedly run through side.  But with a bit of support from spinners in subcontinent , bit of support from seamers he can be handy.