Kuldeep Yadav is a big asset that we have, needs to be managed

[Nikola]

10 hours ago, Gollum said:

Last 4 years or so RSA has taken pitch doctoring to another level, that too only against SC sides. Even peak Warne wouldn't have done jack on those pitches. 

 

Lol it wasn't much helpful but SA pitches rarely assist spinners. Also don't tell me warne would have struggled against likes of bavuma, markram, keegan petersen & van der dussen on same pitches. That was just really poor performance from ashwin, you just can't blame pitches. Even lyon in last decade or so struggled but not that badly and he is yet to bowl against these average spin playing batsman of SA.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Nikola

[AuxiliA]

12 hours ago, Gollum said:

Anyway Saffers will doctor their pitches like crazy this December, we should try Kuldeep.

 

Not sure if he can force his way into the team for tests in SC (Axar batted like Bradman against Aussies in most recent BGT, Sundar too can be 3rd spinner), but in SENA definitely. 

 

Kuldeep won't help us in SA. They doctor their pitches even more than us. We should only play a spinner who can bat (luckily we have a few).

 

What we really need in SA is Pandya. He has the pace and is an aggressive batter who can create an impact if used properly.

 

If Stokes can unretire in ODIs all of a sudden to play the WC, why can't Pandya do the same in a few SENA tests? Even in the worst case Pandya should contribute more than what our batters have been doing in SENA recently.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

14 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

 

Kuldeep won't help us in SA. They doctor their pitches even more than us. We should only play a spinner who can bat (luckily we have a few).

 

What we really need in SA is Pandya. He has the pace and is an aggressive batter who can create an impact if used properly.

 

If Stokes can unretire in ODIs all of a sudden to play the WC, why can't Pandya do the same in a few SENA tests? Even in the worst case Pandya should contribute more than what our batters have been doing in SENA recently.

 

Pandya is struggling to bowl full 10 overs in an ODI . No chance of him playing Tests. He's not worth it as a pure Test batter.

[AuxiliA]

18 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Pandya is struggling to bowl full 10 overs in an ODI . No chance of him playing Tests. He's not worth it as a pure Test batter.

 

I agree on the work load part but he just has to average above 30 to be 'pure test batter' standard for us nowadays. That's how low our pure test batters have fallen over the last 5 years. Pandya should have been kept in schemes for SENA tests. It's not too late yet.

[Gollum]

2 hours ago, Nikola said:

 

Lol it wasn't much helpful but SA pitches rarely assist spinners. Also don't tell me warne would have struggled against likes of bavuma, markram, keegan petersen & van der dussen on same pitches. That was just really poor performance from ashwin, you just can't blame pitches. Even lyon in last decade or so struggled but not that badly and he is yet to bowl against these average spin playing batsman of SA.

 

No Saffers have taken doctoring to a whole new level. Even Maharaj can't take a single wicket against Asian sides, against Eng/Aus they give different kind of pitches. Maharaj isn't ATG or something but don't tell me he can't take a single wicket after playing 7-8 tests in RSA against the Asian sides, not one!!!!!

 

NZ do the same stuff, they don't even play spinners against Asian sides these days. When 38-39/40 wickets to fall in these 2 countries go to quicks, you can see what is going on. Rabada is a beast there but gets treated like a street dog even in Pak and BD where Hasan Ali, Faheem Ashraf and random Bangladeshis outbowl him. 

 

Won't say the same about Aus and Eng. They also play to their strengths but don't stoop as low as RSA, NZ. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Gollum

[Nikhil_cric]

32 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

 

I agree on the work load part but he just has to average above 30 to be 'pure test batter' standard for us nowadays. That's how low our pure test batters have fallen over the last 5 years. Pandya should have been kept in schemes for SENA tests. It's not too late yet.

If we keep playing Pujara, Kohli, Rahane that will continue to be the case. The answer is not Pandya though.

[Nikola]

39 minutes ago, Gollum said:

No Saffers have taken doctoring to a whole new level. Even Maharaj can't take a single wicket against Asian sides, against Eng/Aus they give different kind of pitches. Maharaj isn't ATG or something but don't tell me he can't take a single wicket after playing 7-8 tests in RSA against the Asian sides, not one!!!!!

 

NZ do the same stuff, they don't even play spinners against Asian sides these days. When 38-39/40 wickets to fall in these 2 countries go to quicks, you can see what is going on. Rabada is a beast there but gets treated like a street dog even in Pak and BD where Hasan Ali, Faheem Ashraf and random Bangladeshis outbowl him. 

 

Won't say the same about Aus and Eng. They also play to their strengths but don't stoop as low as RSA, NZ. 

 

Leave Maharaj in SA conditions, what did he do in indian conditions which is much more suited for spinners? he is just not good enough and he wasn't even used much in SA if i remember correctly.

[ravishingravi]

The speed at which he is bowling is perfect for his style. Will make it difficult for batsmen.

[Gollum]

21 minutes ago, Nikola said:

 

Leave Maharaj in SA conditions, what did he do in indian conditions which is much more suited for spinners? he is just not good enough and he wasn't even used much in SA if i remember correctly.

He took a 9fer in Lanka once, did very well in Australia. 

[R!TTER]

3 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

Pandya should have been kept in schemes for SENA tests. It's not too late yet.

He himself didn't want that workload.

[Lord]

Pandya is not going to play Tests. We should make peace with it.

[Number]

Back to back match winning performances from him.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Number

[Lord]

in line for winning MOTS

 

Good that he didn't win MOTM in any game though. He hates MOTM award.

[Gollum]

Hope he does a Warne 1999 this WC, especially in SF and F. Fingers crossed.

[vvvslaxman]

We shouldn't focus on his batting or critical about it. He is doing something very few people in the world can do. Just bat him at no.11 if you ask me. 

[Trichromatic]

They are managing him so well that he has played only 8 tests in 6 years.

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

They are managing him so well that he has played only 8 tests in 6 years.

wrapping him in cotton wool. would have become much more potent than the pseudo-hacks ashwin, jaddu, and axar; last of them in particular is utterly a hack

[Number]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

They are managing him so well that he has played only 8 tests in 6 years.

In 14 test innings he bowled, he has 3 5fers, 2 4fers, 2 3fers and he hasn't even played on square turners.

[tweaker]

Why both SLA bowler played the first test.

i think Dravid will prefer Saurabh and Sundar over him

[Vijy]

57 minutes ago, tweaker said:

Why both SLA bowler played the first test.

i think Dravid will prefer Saurabh and Sundar over him

for their batting ability.