Mesky99 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/29/2023 at 10:57 AM, the don said: Ironically Umar gul was a better white ball bowler than Srinath and Dev. Not a bad example tbh. Ajit agarkar was a better white bowl bowler than all Pak pacers bar Wasim and waqar, ishant better test bowler than all bar Younis, Imran and waqar, umesh Yadav better than gul in tests. raki05 1 Link to comment
Mesky99 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/21/2023 at 1:17 PM, the don said: Its 2023 and there ja. no indian bowler is in the top 10 quickest at the WC. Karnataka ranji trophy pacers would make it to Pak first 11, Indian domestic teams have thrashed Afghanistan for fun in the past, Kuldeep sen, tyagi, Rana, prasidh, yudhvir, umran would all be in Pakistan's starting 11. raki05 1 Link to comment
Mesky99 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/17/2023 at 9:42 PM, deathmonger said: Bumrah has won India series in Australia twice, which no Pakistan team has ever done. That was when he was "needed most". Remember, test cricket is older than the country of Pakistan itself. "talent" "potential" lol. I'll take results. Naseem/Shaheen have not even won Asia Cups, let alone anything bigger lol. A fully fit and in form Shaheen basically took a couple of top order wickets and made Pakistan win a group stage T20 against India, which is what Arshdeep replicated in a year's time lol. I mean Pakistan's favourite player Irfan Pathan did that in 2007 and then repeated that in the final to win MoM and the trophy, not get carted around for three sixes by Wade to get knocked out in the semis itself. His second good performance was on a seaming up and down pitch (where India even managed to get to 266) where Pakistan would have been all out for 150 (Pak made 128 and 191 on far friendlier surfaces). Ind bowled SL out for 50 in the final in helpful conditions. Apart from those 2 games, in the 4 other games he has played, he has been smashed. Bhuvi Kumar has more good performances against Pak than Shaheen has against India. Heck, Hardik has - in bowling. Shaheen bowling average against India - 7 wkts at 27.42 in ODIs, 3 wkts at 21.66 in T20Is Hardik against Pak - 8 wkts at 26.87 in ODIs, 11 wkts at 12.00 in T20Is Bhuvi - 14 wkts at 23.57 in ODIs, 11 wkts at 17.18 in T20Is Arshdeep - 6 wkts at 15.33 in T20Is btw Pak's records against India in matches involving Shaheen - W1 L4 Because Pakistan lose so much against India, when they perform well once in a while - the performances are more highlighted in the mind of the Pakistani fan. While Indian player's performance against Pak is the norm. Case over, you have bodied that lahori. Time to go sleep. rollingstoned 1 Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 12:47 AM, deathmonger said: Haha, hit the wound. "Not fully fit" lol. That's his level. Like Gul, Junaid, Amir etc etc "Decade of humiliation" - THIS. THIS is the essence of everything. Pakistan is a young country. For most Pakistanis, their earliest memories are the 07 final and the 11 semi that lead to trauma at a young age. After that they have seen India dominate them for most of their cricket watching life (around 10-15 years). So Pakistanis desperately want the reverse to happen. It won't. Pakistan being better than India was an aberration. India being better is the norm. Cricket was not a particularly professional sport in the 80s-90s. Plus India was slightly poorer than Pakistan. In a system like this, you relied more on diamonds in the rough rather than a refined system. In the current day and age of nutrition, matchups, analytics, neutral umpires etc the richest boards will always win - simply because they have more money to put in. That's why West Indies and Pakistan have declined. India, England are way better than their 80s-90s teams and Australia too started getting real good around the 00s and still have a very good team. The raw talent still keeps coming through like old times with Pakistan and West Indies - Gul, Amir, Shaheen, Umar Akmal, Alzarri etc. But to refine them into finished things is simply not in the poorer country's hands. How many Pakistani players have come back after bad form or made the jump like Jaddu in 2013, Rohit in 2013, Kuldeep last year, Bumrah in 2018, Pant in 2021, Kohli in 2012 etc? Pakistani players come in - have a good start, their fans hype them, few poor years and then dropped. Gul, Junaid, Amir, Jamshed, Sharjeel, Hasan, Wahab etc etc. The issue is systemic. Due diligence is missing. where you guys are right: Pakistan’s FC structure and player pathway process are broken. Long format cricket is impacted due to these issues. where you guys are wrong: Pakistan T20 team is one of the best in the world. This has been evident in the last T20 World Cups and Asia cup. PSL is a world class tournament with every team having proper coaching, analytics wings, planning etc Luckily for countries like Pakistan and West Indies, T20 is the format that will dominate. Pakistan played 21 ODIs in 4 years and they don’t play another ODI for 13 months after the World Cup. It is unlikely we will see another ODI World Cup after 2027 while test cricket is already limited to few nations playing regularly sandeep 1 Link to comment
Norman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Udhar team ki g phati padi hain aur yaha mard-e-chowmin Shaheen Shaheen ka mujra kar rahe hain.. Inko muh pe thappad bhi maaro toh yeh soch ke khush honge ki g@@d pe laat nahi padi mashallah... raki05 and rollingstoned 2 Link to comment
Norman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/29/2023 at 4:26 PM, express bowling said: Too many posts about nothing !! Paxtanis are one of the most insecure breed on this planet. Especially the new age ones with respect to India, who have grown up seeing all their sporting teams getting walloped and their country getting dwarfed in all sectors by us. Their predicament is a bit sad to be honest.. express bowling, rollingstoned, Laaloo and 1 other 4 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) On 10/21/2023 at 7:17 PM, the don said: Glorious past, the present is fine and the future is great. PAKISTAN'S " glorious " past includes ■ 8 losses and 0 wins vs India in ODI World Cups ■ 4 losses and just 1 win vs India in T20 World Cups. ■ 0 Test Series Win IN Australia ■ 0 Test Series win IN South Africa. ■ 0 Test Series Win IN the West Indies WHEN they were a strong team. Achievements I respect ... ■ ODI WC win in 1992 ■ Test Series Win IN India in 1986/87 ■ Test Series Win IN NZ in 2010/11 ■ T20 WC win in 2008 .. smaller achievement ■■ The above assessment is based on the premise that Great and Glorious teams become so by Winning ODI World Cups + Winning Tough AWAY Test Series against BIG Teams. Let's check the same aspects for INDIA .... ■ TWO ODI World Cup wins in 1983 and 2011 ■ TWO Test Series wins IN Australia in 2018/19 and 2021 ■ Test Series win IN Pakistan in 2003/04 ■ Test Series win IN England 2007. [ I am leaving out our Test Series wins IN England in the 80s and 70s because England wasn't a big team then ) ■ T20 WC Win in 2007 .. smaller achievement. ■ 8 Wins and Zero losses vs Pakistan in ODI World Cups. ■ 4 Wins and 1 Loss vs Pakistan in T20 World Cups .. smaller achievement. Edited October 31, 2023 by express bowling raki05, Mariyam, Laaloo and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Due diligence is missing. where you guys are right: Pakistan’s FC structure and player pathway process are broken. Long format cricket is impacted due to these issues. where you guys are wrong: Pakistan T20 team is one of the best in the world. This has been evident in the last T20 World Cups and Asia cup. PSL is a world class tournament with every team having proper coaching, analytics wings, planning etc Luckily for countries like Pakistan and West Indies, T20 is the format that will dominate. Pakistan played 21 ODIs in 4 years and they don’t play another ODI for 13 months after the World Cup. It is unlikely we will see another ODI World Cup after 2027 while test cricket is already limited to few nations playing regularly Pakistan T20 teamq has still nothing to show for it... India has better W/L ratio than them historically Against every team. Pakistan has never won a T20 series in Australia Eng.. Or even Beaten Eng in a T20 series. Even SL has a Asia Cup T20 to its name just like India &, a 3-0 sweep at your home. Your T20 side is better than ODI but thats! Not a High bar raki05 1 Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, express bowling said: PAKISTAN'S " glorious " past includes ■ 8 losses and 0 wins vs India in ODI World Cups ■ 4 losses and just 1 win vs India in T20 World Cups. ■ 0 Test Series Win IN Australia ■ 0 Test Series win IN South Africa. ■ 0 Test Series Win IN the West Indies WHEN they were a strong team. Achievements I respect ... ■ ODI WC win in 1992 ■ Test Series Win IN India in 1986/87 ■ Test Series Win IN NZ in 2010/11 ■ T20 WC win in 2008 .. smaller achievement ■■ The above assessment is based on the premise that Great and Glorious teams become so by Winning ODI World Cups + Winning Tough AWAY Test Series against BIG Teams. Let's check the same aspects for INDIA .... ■ TWO ODI World Cup wins in 1983 and 2011 ■ TWO Test Series wins IN Australia in 2018/19 and 2021 ■ Test Series win IN Pakistan in 2003/04 ■ Test Series win IN England 2007. [ I am leaving out our Test Series wins IN England in the 80s and 70s because England wasn't a big team then ) ■ T20 WC Win in 2007 .. smaller achievement. ■ 8 Wins and Zero losses vs Pakistan in ODI World Cups. ■ 4 Wins and 1 Loss vs Pakistan in T20 World Cups .. smaller achievement. Those Test wins in Australia were epic to say the least. The GABBA game rates as my best Test game Ive seen India play in Australia, just because of what was on the line and the Aussies so confident they would roll us over. Still for me the greatest test series ever is the 2001, the Miracle of Kolkata and that Third Test was something for the ages. Pakistan can only dream of this. Test Cricket was at its pinnacle in India in 2001. express bowling 1 Link to comment
the don Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 51 matches for 100 wickets. Fastest to that milestone for a pacer. Starc did it in 52. Link to comment
raki05 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, the don said: 51 matches for 100 wickets. Fastest to that milestone for a pacer. Starc did it in 52. Lol Ajit agarkar is stil fastest to 50 wkts than all pakistani phaast trundlers .. Fastest this, fastest that doesn’t matter, if afg tullas can give you bi@tch slapping to your phaast bowlers and faaak you out of competition. rangeelaraja, express bowling, Laaloo and 5 others 8 Link to comment
raki05 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 One trait which is dominant in pakistani jaahil aawam since eternity that people who will screw or slap them they worship them. Their phaast lumber one trundlers have screwed them badly, so far couldnt able to win a match against India/Sena country even afg have given them spanking still they are stretching this thread and looking for our acknowledgement. Similarity in the past people who raped their ancestors, looted and converted them, they name their som and daughters after them . sandeep, rangeelaraja, Amit228 and 1 other 4 Link to comment
the don Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) What a beauty from Shaheen to clean up Mahmudullah. They cannot play him. Even when he is 40 percent fit. Edited October 31, 2023 by the don sandeep, singhvivek141 and Norman 3 Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, the don said: What a beauty from Shaheen to clean up Mahmudullah. They cannot play him. Even when he is 40 percent fit. Today there 's a lot of reverse due to dry conditions, otherwise that ball wouldn't have straightened Link to comment
rangeelaraja Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 hours ago, raki05 said: One trait which is dominant in pakistani jaahil aawam since eternity that people who will screw or slap them they worship them. Their phaast lumber one trundlers have screwed them badly, so far couldnt able to win a match against India/Sena country even afg have given them spanking still they are stretching this thread and looking for our acknowledgement. Similarity in the past people who raped their ancestors, looted and converted them, they name their som and daughters after them . Rakesh, kahaan tha itne din ? Pak ki yaad nahi sata rahi thi tujhe ? raki05 and sandeep 2 Link to comment
Lord Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Showed his ability today. People too harsh on him in this thread. Shastri said he's good but no Akram, which is true too. But that doesn't mean he's mediocre. Link to comment
raki05 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, the don said: What a beauty from Shaheen to clean up Mahmudullah. They cannot play him. Even when he is 40 percent fit. Han bc stretcher pe let ke bowling kar raha tha. Link to comment
deathmonger Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 hours ago, express bowling said: PAKISTAN'S " glorious " past includes ■ 8 losses and 0 wins vs India in ODI World Cups ■ 4 losses and just 1 win vs India in T20 World Cups. ■ 0 Test Series Win IN Australia ■ 0 Test Series win IN South Africa. ■ 0 Test Series Win IN the West Indies WHEN they were a strong team. Achievements I respect ... ■ ODI WC win in 1992 ■ Test Series Win IN India in 1986/87 ■ Test Series Win IN NZ in 2010/11 ■ T20 WC win in 2008 .. smaller achievement ■■ The above assessment is based on the premise that Great and Glorious teams become so by Winning ODI World Cups + Winning Tough AWAY Test Series against BIG Teams. Let's check the same aspects for INDIA .... ■ TWO ODI World Cup wins in 1983 and 2011 ■ TWO Test Series wins IN Australia in 2018/19 and 2021 ■ Test Series win IN Pakistan in 2003/04 ■ Test Series win IN England 2007. [ I am leaving out our Test Series wins IN England in the 80s and 70s because England wasn't a big team then ) ■ T20 WC Win in 2007 .. smaller achievement. ■ 8 Wins and Zero losses vs Pakistan in ODI World Cups. ■ 4 Wins and 1 Loss vs Pakistan in T20 World Cups .. smaller achievement. 80s England against a weaker team yes. But 71 was great achievement. England were the no 1 team then (from 1979-1973). 71 West Indies was great too. Link to comment
deathmonger Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lord said: Showed his ability today. People too harsh on him in this thread. Shastri said he's good but no Akram, which is true too. But that doesn't mean he's mediocre. He's umar gul level. Good white ball bowler, mediocre red ball bowler. And in white ball better in T20. Link to comment
Lord Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, deathmonger said: He's umar gul level. Good white ball bowler, mediocre red ball bowler. And in white ball better in T20. I'll say Zaheer level. Will get better with experience. Link to comment
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