Gautam Gambhir unhappy with India's domination over Pakistan, says 'this is bad for subcontinent cricket'

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

No need to get defensive. They were better in cricket in that period. We were horrible except couple of years here and there like early 70s, 1983-86 etc. We had Gavaskar and Solkar as opening bowlers. And in 80s our spinners were Arshad Ayub, Ravi Shastri, Siva, Doshi, Maninder etc....no wonder we lost so frequently at home. 

I am not getting defensive at all. Maybe you need to understand history better before saying they were better.

 

Early 70s India was unoffical number one. Which Pakistan never achieved.

 

They never had any great spinners. In Pakistan they became unbeatable for two reasons umpires and ball tampering. 

[coffee_rules]

6 hours ago, Lord said:

woh sab chhodo, why isn't he in Parliament these days?

Akela baithe kya? There is no session going on

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, putrevus said:

I am not getting defensive at all. Maybe you need to understand history better before saying they were better.

 

Early 70s India was unoffical number one. Which Pakistan never achieved.

 

They never had any great spinners. In Pakistan they became unbeatable for two reasons umpires and ball tampering. 

After the 78 series in Pak, they decimated our spinners an dominated in the 80s. 90s was even and we have had the upper hand in last 20 odd years

[BH-BAIB]

10 hours ago, Lord said:

woh sab chhodo, why isn't he in Parliament these days?

Bada hi Gambhir sawal hai

[Sharjah-Harjah]

15 hours ago, sage said:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/icc-world-cup/news/gautam-gambhir-unhappy-with-indias-domination-over-pakistan-says-this-is-bad-for-/articleshow/104498771.cms?from=mdr

 

And former opener Gautam Gambhir reckons that India's total supremacy is not good for subcontinental cricket after the hosts handed a seven-wicket mauling to Pakistan in the World Cup match.

 

"Hammering along with domination. You use this word very rarely, that too when you are playing against Pakistan. If you see the results, Pakistan used to hammer India like this for a long time. However, for the last many years, India have dominated. This is bad for subcontinental cricket," Gambhir told Star Sports.

 

We always used to say that if we have an India-Pakistan series, it will be competitive. An India-Pakistan series is not going to be competitive at all because there is a massive difference between the two sides," he added.

What a weird statement to make Indians feel good about themselves in an indirect, deluded way. Gambhir pulls off another Gambhir.

 

In T20 format, which is the marque and popular format of today/tomorrow, Pakistan is slightly ahead of India even if the last 4 games are 2-2. Kohli and Rohit skew ODIs into India’s favor but that edge doesn’t exist in T20s. On top of that, the gap in T20 bowling is too much and this has been evident in last 2 T20 World Cup. Yes there is Bumrah, but Pakistan has Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, and Ihsanullah. On top, batters like Azam, Saim Ayub, Mohd Haris coming through as well.

 

India will not only have a “competitive” series that they apparently want, they may even get mauled. Be careful what you wish for. 
 

[Suhaan]

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[Suhaan]

8 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

What a weird statement to make Indians feel good about themselves in an indirect, deluded way. Gambhir pulls off another Gambhir.

 

In T20 format, which is the marque and popular format of today/tomorrow, Pakistan is slightly ahead of India even if the last 4 games are 2-2. Kohli and Rohit skew ODIs into India’s favor but that edge doesn’t exist in T20s. On top of that, the gap in T20 bowling is too much and this has been evident in last 2 T20 World Cup. Yes there is Bumrah, but Pakistan has Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, and Ihsanullah. On top, batters like Azam, Saim Ayub, Mohd Haris coming through as well.

 

India will not only have a “competitive” series that they apparently want, they may even get mauled. Be careful what you wish for. 
 

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Edited October 29, 2023 by Suhaan

[deathmonger]

2 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

What a weird statement to make Indians feel good about themselves in an indirect, deluded way. Gambhir pulls off another Gambhir.

 

In T20 format, which is the marque and popular format of today/tomorrow, Pakistan is slightly ahead of India even if the last 4 games are 2-2. Kohli and Rohit skew ODIs into India’s favor but that edge doesn’t exist in T20s. On top of that, the gap in T20 bowling is too much and this has been evident in last 2 T20 World Cup. Yes there is Bumrah, but Pakistan has Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, and Ihsanullah. On top, batters like Azam, Saim Ayub, Mohd Haris coming through as well.

 

India will not only have a “competitive” series that they apparently want, they may even get mauled. Be careful what you wish for. 
 

How are they ahead?

 

India is ranked higher and has a better H2H (overall as well as in the last decade or so).

 

The gap in T20 bowling isn't "too much". If anything, it is more on India's side.

 

2021 was in "Dewbai" - In the SF when they were made to defend a score, Wade and Stoinis of all people smashed them around.

2022 didn't even have Bumrah or Kuldeep 2.0.

 

Pakistan's delusions arise from those four T20s and assuming they can match up to India. A lot of Pakistanis believed the bad days were over and there would be "parity". Result - Pakistan got smashed in both AC and WC.

 

If you think your mediocre PSL talent is good, you will see what IPL talent is. India's T20I hasn't reflected it's true potential simply due to selecting guys like Rohit, Bhuvi, DK, Ashwin etc who are not even good in IPL (and even that is enough for no 1 ranking lol). 2024 will be another "reality check".

 

This can be seen in the Asian Games where the IPL superstars won gold while all that great PSL "talunt" couldn't win a bronze, losing to Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

 

First it was we can defeat India anywhere and now after back to back humiliations in AC and WC, it's we can defeat India in "T20".

 

[Nikhil_cric]

13 hours ago, Number said:

I guess he only meant to say that Pakistan should look to improve and compete with India. 

Yeah that's all he meant to say.  He is a commentator and he has to show some semblance of neutrality. 

 

I'm sure he is perfectly happy with us kerb stomping PAK every single time .

 

 

[deathmonger]

India Pakistan gap will only grow with time.

 

In the 80s-90s Pak was better simply because of India being poorer and cricket not being much of a professional sport. India became better in the 2000s and then took it to another level in the 2010s and will take it to another level this decade and so on as the economies diverge.

 

Cricket now is a professional sport with analytics/matchups, rigorous fitness standards/diets, injury management etc. In a system like this, it is the richer countries that will dominate. That's why the gora countries and India are dominating compared to WI, Pak, SL who have fallen off from where they were in the 90s (when Ind, NZ and Eng were poor).

 

As India becomes even richer they will diverge further.

[NameGoesHere]

2 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

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In T20 format, which is the marque and popular format of today/tomorrow, Pakistan is slightly ahead of India even if the last 4 games are 2-2. Kohli and Rohit skew ODIs into India’s favor but that edge doesn’t exist in T20s. On top of that, the gap in T20 bowling is too much and this has been evident in last 2 T20 World Cup. Yes there is Bumrah, but Pakistan has Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, and Ihsanullah. On top, batters like Azam, Saim Ayub, Mohd Haris coming through as well.

 

India will not only have a “competitive” series that they apparently want, they may even get mauled. Be careful what you wish for. 
 

This post typifies all that is problematic with the approach of some Pakistanis.  Perhaps many of them. 
 

So why is T-20 the marquee format for you? It’s because your are running away from the fact that you’re bad and perhaps getting irretrievably worse at 2 of 3 forms of the game -  ODIs and Tests.  

 

Kohli and Rohit skew ODIs in India’s favour - that’s such an awesomely stupid statement to make.  I don’t know what to say. Perhaps “Viv Richards, Shane Warne and Bradman skewed games in their countries’ favour”?

 

Erm that’s what Kohli and Rohit are there to do?  Try and win games? Maybe Pakistan should try and find some talent?
 

On T-20s, the only reason you’re doing ok (not well, ok) is because it’s a short format that hides the process, talent and approach deficiencies of your nation.  Presently many top countries experiment in this format with players, while leagues such as IPL are given as much space as internationals. 

 

Because  in this short version player deficiencies are often hidden.  Pakistan’s inability to prepare, strategise, and their player’s (most of them) inability to go the long haul, are also unaddressed.

 

In fact, it could be a matter of time before even your T-20 team slips to below mediocre.  Then what will you do? Support T-10s? Or T-5s? 
 

 

[deathmonger]

4 minutes ago, NameGoesHere said:

This post typifies all that is problematic with the approach of some Pakistanis.  Perhaps many of them. 
 

So why is T-20 the marquee format for you? It’s because your are running away from the fact that you’re bad and perhaps getting irretrievably worse at 2 of 3 forms of the game -  ODIs and Tests.  

 

Kohli and Rohit skew ODIs in India’s favour - that’s such an awesomely stupid statement to make.  I don’t know what to say. Perhaps “Viv Richards, Shane Warne and Bradman skewed games in their countries’ favour”?

 

Erm that’s what Kohli and Rohit are there to do?  Try and win games? Maybe Pakistan should try and find some talent?
 

On T-20s, the only reason you’re doing ok (not well, ok) is because it’s a short format that hides the process, talent and approach deficiencies of your nation.  Presently many top countries experiment in this format with players, while leagues such as IPL are given as much space as internationals. 

 

Because  in this short version player deficiencies are often hidden.  Pakistan’s inability to prepare, strategise, and their player’s (most of them) inability to go the long haul, are also unaddressed.

 

In fact, it could be a matter of time before even your T-20 team slips to below mediocre.  Then what will you do? Support T-10s? Or T-5s? 
 

 

Hong Kong Sixes

[Number]

48 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Yeah that's all he meant to say.  He is a commentator and he has to show some semblance of neutrality. 

 

I'm sure he is perfectly happy with us kerb stomping PAK every single time .

 

 

Yeah. It is a backhanded insult more than anything else.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

1 hour ago, NameGoesHere said:

This post typifies all that is problematic with the approach of some Pakistanis.  Perhaps many of them. 
 

So why is T-20 the marquee format for you? It’s because your are running away from the fact that you’re bad and perhaps getting irretrievably worse at 2 of 3 forms of the game -  ODIs and Tests.  

 

Kohli and Rohit skew ODIs in India’s favour - that’s such an awesomely stupid statement to make.  I don’t know what to say. Perhaps “Viv Richards, Shane Warne and Bradman skewed games in their countries’ favour”?

 

Erm that’s what Kohli and Rohit are there to do?  Try and win games? Maybe Pakistan should try and find some talent?
 

On T-20s, the only reason you’re doing ok (not well, ok) is because it’s a short format that hides the process, talent and approach deficiencies of your nation.  Presently many top countries experiment in this format with players, while leagues such as IPL are given as much space as internationals. 

 

Because  in this short version player deficiencies are often hidden.  Pakistan’s inability to prepare, strategise, and their player’s (most of them) inability to go the long haul, are also unaddressed.

 

In fact, it could be a matter of time before even your T-20 team slips to below mediocre.  Then what will you do? Support T-10s? Or T-5s? 
 

 

Within 25 years, ODIs are sure to wither off. Test cricket may survive in India, England and Australia. Whether you like it or not, that’s where reality is going. 

T20 leagues and tournaments is what will sustain. It’s already the marquee format because it’s what the Wada pao stall owner, the entire family, practically everyone would be more likely to watch. And that’s what matters to the advertisers, who are what matter in sports. 

In no format is planning, analytics and match ups more important that in T20 cricket. You have no clue what you’re talking about 

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Within 25 years, ODIs are sure to wither off. Test cricket may survive in India, England and Australia. Whether you like it or not, that’s where reality is going. 

T20 leagues and tournaments is what will sustain. It’s already the marquee format because it’s what the Wada pao stall owner, the entire family, practically everyone would be more likely to watch. And that’s what matters to the advertisers, who are what matter in sports. 

In no format is planning, analytics and match ups more important that in T20 cricket. You have no clue what you’re talking about 

Yeah and when that happens the 20-30 team 6-8 month IPL will be the default, not international T20.

 

 

[jf1gp_1]

5 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

What a weird statement to make Indians feel good about themselves in an indirect, deluded way. Gambhir pulls off another Gambhir.

 

In T20 format, which is the marque and popular format of today/tomorrow, Pakistan is slightly ahead of India even if the last 4 games are 2-2. Kohli and Rohit skew ODIs into India’s favor but that edge doesn’t exist in T20s. On top of that, the gap in T20 bowling is too much and this has been evident in last 2 T20 World Cup. Yes there is Bumrah, but Pakistan has Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, and Ihsanullah. On top, batters like Azam, Saim Ayub, Mohd Haris coming through as well.

 

India will not only have a “competitive” series that they apparently want, they may even get mauled. Be careful what you wish for. 
 

I agree. We Indians should be scared of pakistan cricket team and its hockey team and its squash team and Shaheen , Rauf and guys like Saim, Azam (is he mohins son? who's belly arrives at a party couple of mins before he does) and haris (never heard of him)

[NameGoesHere]

1 hour ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Within 25 years, ODIs are sure to wither off. Test cricket may survive in India, England and Australia. Whether you like it or not, that’s where reality is going. 

T20 leagues and tournaments is what will sustain. It’s already the marquee format because it’s what the Wada pao stall owner, the entire family, practically everyone would be more likely to watch. And that’s what matters to the advertisers, who are what matter in sports. 

In no format is planning, analytics and match ups more important that in T20 cricket. You have no clue what you’re talking about 

Sure anything  can happen including Tests/ ODIs going away.
 

But what you don’t get is that

 

(a) if 20-20 dominates it will be IPL, and similar leagues.  The latter far less. 

 

(b) Once India and the top teams decide  that we want to do well at T-20 internationals, because the other formats are dying, then watch out. Teams that are without systems, processes and talent will once again be left behind. 

As I said, where will you go then to claim parity (forget superiority). T-5 or T-10?

 

[poyzzplaidwell]

22 hours ago, sage said:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/icc-world-cup/news/gautam-gambhir-unhappy-with-indias-domination-over-pakistan-says-this-is-bad-for-/articleshow/104498771.cms?from=mdr

 

And former opener Gautam Gambhir reckons that India's total supremacy is not good for subcontinental cricket after the hosts handed a seven-wicket mauling to Pakistan in the World Cup match.

 

"Hammering along with domination. You use this word very rarely, that too when you are playing against Pakistan. If you see the results, Pakistan used to hammer India like this for a long time. However, for the last many years, India have dominated. This is bad for subcontinental cricket," Gambhir told Star Sports.

 

We always used to say that if we have an India-Pakistan series, it will be competitive. An India-Pakistan series is not going to be competitive at all because there is a massive difference between the two sides," he added.

Knowing Gambino he is probably throwing shades at Pakistani that they are not good enough.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

2 hours ago, NameGoesHere said:

Sure anything  can happen including Tests/ ODIs going away.
 

But what you don’t get is that

 

(a) if 20-20 dominates it will be IPL, and similar leagues.  The latter far less. 

 

(b) Once India and the top teams decide  that we want to do well at T-20 internationals, because the other formats are dying, then watch out. Teams that are without systems, processes and talent will once again be left behind. 

As I said, where will you go then to claim parity (forget superiority). T-5 or T-10?

 

Since PSL started producing talent in 2018/2019, Pakistan has done better than India in the recent both T20 world cups. 
If it weren’t for an outlandish innings by Kohli, India was gone for all money last game as well. 
I think India is a better ODI and test team. But T20 team is ok-ish. India needs 2-3 rapid fast bowlers and couple of powerhitters to continuously challenge the best and come close to winning a title. In T20, “tight wicket to wicket bowling” and low risk accumulation hasn’t scaled for India in T20 World cups, specially in last Ko match vs Eng. 

[Gollum]

8 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

In T20 format, which is the marque and popular format of today/tomorrow,

T20 may be popular but not marquee. Good tests are remembered for eternity, ODIs too have long shelf life. Nobody remembers what happened in a T20 the next day, even if that T20 is a WC/franchise league final.