How are you coping?

[Nikhil_cric]

Too many expectations and too much emotional investment in the outcome of a cricket match. 

 

It was a really good World Cup. We were well beaten by the only team that could have beaten us. 

 

Unfortunately , we are a poor, overpopulated country with a culture where expectations and demands on individuals are through the roof. 

 

All this nationalistic jingoism and Soviet style wankery of the IAF and all of that was totally unnecessary and overhyped the final.

 

Even the background theme of the Star Sports coverage sounds like a clarion call to rouse the public into a warlike mood. 

 

India/Indians need to tone it down A LOT , breathe and let this sport be a sport. 

 

There's enough pressure on our cricketers anyway to win these matches .  No point adding to the pressure with the constant media hyping and shenanigans .

 

 

No better nation to teach us that than Australia. For such great cricketers , they don't take themselves seriously and play without any pressure and just soak the experience in its entirety. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

They had better control of the match once they won the toss and executed plans perfectly. Perhaps Kohli Rahul could have accelerated taking no more risks. Grossly ill-equipped with KL Jadeja and Sky to handle 4 wkts down at 150. 
 

In the series India Aus played before the WC, out of 6, Aus won 3 India 3. India is equally matched, too much is made out of one match (final). Better luck next time. 

[Nikhil_cric]

45 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Goes to show how imp are batting ARs to the team.  We hv none. Importance of having decent batting ARs in the team was highlighed many times by @Nikhil_cricmuch before the WC started.  He had categorically stated that having batting ARs is more imp than having bowling ARs.   And this WC also is a testimony to that.  In 2011WC, we had batting ARs like Yuvi and Raina.  They had played crucial role in our wins.  

 

Bowling strength has always been overrated in ODI cricket. 

The Aussies have known that for years. 

 

You will rarely, if ever, see a bowler play for his batting ability like Shardul Thakur.

 

Josh, Starc, Zampa, Cummins are high quality bowlers at their best. 

 

In 2015, they only had 3 bowlers of high quality - Josh , Starc and Johnson.   Cummins wasn't ready and Doherty was rubbish , lol.

 

They simply covered 20 overs between Watson , Maxwell and Faulkner and won the Cup 

 

The logic is very simple. 

 

Maxwell's spin bowling may be inferior to Jadeja's but his hitting/batting is so much better than Jadeja's that the trade off is absolutely worth it. 

 

There is no bowling allrounder equivalent of that 201 hit by Maxwell .

 

 

[neel roy]

Also Aus could take more risks. They have been to 7 finals and won 5. Even of they lost it would have been ok its fine we have already won 5. For us this was made to be like a life and death and the genesis goes back to the 2019 wc I suppose where we lost in semis. 2015 wc sf loss nobody shed a tear.. 2019 sf heartbreak after 2017 ct loss then 2021 and 2023 wtc loss then 2022 wt20 sf loss all created a massive void and sea of expectations and the indian team started ticking the box in right order. Its not the loss which kills but the shattering of dreams..

[Tillu]

2 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Also Aus could take more risks. They have been to 7 finals and won 5. Even of they lost it would have been ok its fine we have already won 5. For us this was made to be like a life and death and the genesis goes back to the 2019 wc I suppose where we lost in semis. 2015 wc sf loss nobody shed a tear.. 2019 sf heartbreak after 2017 ct loss then 2021 and 2023 wtc loss then 2022 wt20 sf loss all created a massive void and sea of expectations and the indian team started ticking the box in right order. Its not the loss which kills but the shattering of dreams..

 

Yeah success breeds success. You can play with a lot more freedom when you have a rich legacy of success in ICC tournaments. Talent and skills can only get you so far. After a certain point it's all psychological.

[neel roy]

1 minute ago, Tillu said:

 

Yeah success breeds success. You can play with a lot more freedom when you have a rich legacy of success in ICC tournaments. Talent and skills can only get you so far. After a certain point it's all psychological.

Thats why 2015 sf loss was different, very different. No reactions. We had won wc in 2011,  CT in 2013 then were in finals in t20 wc in 2014. Everything was looking good in those years with expectations that the next 10 years we ll dominate. 

[vvvslaxman]

There is one particular scenario where INdia was going to come up extremely short. Everyone knew that scenario with this 5+0+5 combination. 

 

1) Batting first

2) 3 early wickets

 

This scenario. Against England we did run into this scenario. But pitch was spicier under lights. Batting side was short of confidence. They just had to weather first 20 overs. They would have cruised through. Wish England had done that. 

 

Australia was always aware of that. Thanks to Rohit's ultra aggression they got a bonus wicket. They could get us 3 down in no time. 

[Frustrated]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

There is this myth that was floating around. Part timers don't work anymore after 4 fielder restriction. Guess what. That still works even in world cup final 2023. You either need a positive batsman or batting depth to take them on. INdia had neither. KL Rahul completely shut the shop against them.

Just look at the audacity of the aussies.  Rohit was smashing the hell out of their frontline pacers like Starc and Hazlewood.  Yet they brought on a part time spinner like Maxwell.  They were fully aware that Maxwell might concede a six or two.  But eventually would get him.  And he did exactly that.     If they had acted like a coward, they could hv brought on zampa as well.  But they knew Rohit won't go after zampa and would try to save his wicket.  They were desperate for that wicket and they got it by any means.  Though that over began with a four and a six.       We, on the other hand, are not gonna win any ICC tournament in white ball cricket unless one of our top order or middle order batters starts bowling like Maxwell.  (Maybe Tilak Varma is that candidate)

Edited November 21, 2023 by Frustrated

[neel roy]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

There is one particular scenario where INdia was going to come up extremely short. Everyone knew that scenario with this 5+0+5 combination. 

 

1) Batting first

2) 3 early wickets

 

This scenario. Against England we did run into this scenario. But pitch was spicier under lights. Batting side was short of confidence. They just had to weather first 20 overs. They would have cruised through. Wish England had done that. 

 

Australia was always aware of that. Thanks to Rohit's ultra aggression they got a bonus wicket. They could get us 3 down in no time. 

But i still fail to understand 148/3 in 30 odd overs and we didnt cross 280. BD scored 310 against them albeit a different pitch. We should be ashamed. 

[R!TTER]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

But eventually would get him.  And he did exactly that. 

No they didn't, it was a bonus that's all & total brain dead move by the so called captain!

[neel roy]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Just look at the audacity of the aussies.  Rohit was smashing the hell out of their frontline pacers like Starc and Hazlewood.  Yet they brought on a part time spinner like Maxwell.  They were fully aware that Maxwell might concede a six or two.  But eventually would get him.  And he did exactly that.     If they had acted like a coward, they could hv brought on zampa as well.  But they knew Rohit won't go after zampa and would try to save his wicket.  They were desperate for that wicket and they got it by any means.  Though that over began with a four and a six.       We, on the other hand, are not gonna win any ICC tournament in white ball cricket unless one of our top order or middle order batters starts bowling like Maxwell.  (Maybe Tilak Verma is that candidate)

Cummins said a very key thing. In wc finals you can get away with some bowling mistake ( as you can make it up later) but not any batting failure. As you get only 1 chance to bat. And they got away with Maxwells over and got a bonus wicket. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, neel roy said:

But i still fail to understand 148/3 in 30 odd overs and we didnt cross 280. BD scored 310 against them albeit a different pitch. We should be ashamed. 

 

Classic case of choking. They just didn't want to implode. They probably believed they will implode if they get out to a loose shot like ROhit did. But this was a silent implosion.

[Gollum]

So true. It’s incredible how chill Aussies are about winning a cricket WC. After their 2015 win, the team walked from their hotel to Fed Square with the cup and passersby just said ‘congrats’ or the like and went on with their lives. Surreal apathy for a title win.

Even Fed… https://t.co/pLsAH9bDBo

— Arya Yuyutsu (@aryayuyutsu) November 20, 2023

[goose]

top tip. if you find yourself agonising excessively over this loss, then understand your life pretty good right now. fact

[Number]

27 minutes ago, neel roy said:

But i still fail to understand 148/3 in 30 odd overs and we didnt cross 280. BD scored 310 against them albeit a different pitch. We should be ashamed. 

One important point in game no one is talking about is that around 35th over there was massive reverse swing. For both Hazlewood and Starc.

35 overs 170-4, SKY to come.. 270 was on. If Rahul had gone into his hitting mode around 45th over he would have propelled us to 290-300.

But that reverse swing killed us.

Jadeja got a good one and Rahul got a rip snorter.

It was much bigger factor than even dew. I have never seen such reverse swing since 2 new balls rule. 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Number

[Frustrated]

29 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

No they didn't, it was a bonus that's all & total brain dead move by the so called captain!

I would take u back to the 2015 WC final between NZ and Aus.   NZ batted 1st and had batted really well in the 1st ten overs.  Guptill was looking in great touch.   Maxwell was introduced in the 11th over and got the big wicket of Guptill immediately. The pitch had absolutely nothing for the spinners.  Maxwell deceived him on flight.  He is apparently better than "an ordinary part timer".  He has developed this knack of dismissing top order batters for ages.   He did exactly that with Rohit.  How was it a brain dead move?  

Edited November 21, 2023 by Frustrated

[R!TTER]

He is but he is not that good given he already went for 15-20(?) in the first 10 balls of his spell. Sharmaji losing his sh!t is on him, he is not Sehwag or SRT who can do this as regularly as he does, yes he scores quickly against quicks pretty well but he's not that great against spinners as the last gen! You don't remember he got out trying to hit Moen out of the park back in 2014 third test & started a collapse? Probably the turning point of that series - our batting is not that good against spin & he should've known that.

Edited November 21, 2023 by R!TTER

[raki05]

11 hours ago, Number said:

Been in my own dark zone since the loss. Can't feel the pain or anything till now, almost numb.

But have that feeling, slowly it will start hitting badly, very badly. 

Waiting for 5 t20 series against aussies like chutiya Vizag public who have already made it a sold out game for bcci.

[BacktoCricaddict]

It gets easier as you get older. You learn not to tie your own self-worth and sense of accomplishment to the performance of 11 strangers. Strangers you will likely never meet. Your own work, family and other obligations take up your emotional energies leaving very little to spare for the accomplishments of people with whom you mentally associate only because they happened to be born on the same piece of land where you were born.

 

As such, you learn to vicariously experience their highs but ignore the lows. I was screaming in joy and pumping my fists when our bowlers took the first few wickets. And then when Head and Labu started to take things away, I went grocery shopping.  So, if Indian players well, enjoy that moment as if you had something to do with it. But when they stumble, just let it go because you know deep inside that you can do nothing to correct the situation. And they are not your loved ones, so you have no responsibility to help.

 

I am already excited to see how Rinku Singh, Jaiswal, Jitesh and other youngsters do in the upcoming T20 series.

 

So what's the solution?  Just grow old. 

Edited November 21, 2023 by BacktoCricaddict

[neel roy]

40 minutes ago, Number said:

One important point in game no one is talking about is that around 35th over there was massive reverse swing. For both Hazlewood and Starc.

35 overs 170-4, SKY to come.. 270 was on. If Rahul had gone into his hitting mode around 45th over he would have propelled us to 290-300.

But that reverse swing killed us.

Jadeja got a good one and Rahul got a rip snorter.

It was much bigger factor than even dew. I have never seen such reverse swing since 2 new balls rule. 

Abrasive pitch. 32 degree temperature. Ball being bounced off square. Australians continuously shining the ball. One of the best exponents of reverse swing. Sidney Sheldons Australias ‘Best Laid Plans’ up against Indias ‘ If tomorrow comes’ ..