adi B Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Now we'll revert back to rank turners so that we negate the Bazball. That said England have 3 spinners who will see this as a chance to gallop this meek Indian batting. Will be fun watching both set of Batsmen on rank turners lol Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 10 minutes ago, adi B said: Now we'll revert back to rank turners so that we negate the Bazball. That said England have 3 spinners who will see this as a chance to gallop this meek Indian batting. Will be fun watching both set of Batsmen on rank turners lol Interesting graphic, this. pic.twitter.com/9ho3jWApWH — Sarah Waris (@swaris16) January 28, 2024 Our batters will fare worse on rank turners. adi B and Vijy 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 56 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said: Watched him only on 1st day and he looked innocuous . Proper pie chucker. Only Indian overrated stars can gift 4/5er to Root and Hartley. He's mediocre, will be found out soon. Todd Murphy is the real deal, he will carry the dying torch of off spin bowling in the future. raki05 and Nikhil_cric 1 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Gollum said: We tend to struggle against newcomers, even Todd Murphy owned us in his debut, later we figured him out. One reason these SLAs are dominating us is absence of aggressive LHBs in middle order. If only we had Sundar, never mind Pant, both these guys saved us in 2021 as well. God I miss Pant, he would have ended this chooza's career in one test. I believe our spinners are much better... Likes of Pope Root Duckett batting for India would score 600 easily vs their own attack. Indians can't play spin. They don't sweep or reverse sweep so they have limited release shots. No wonder they got caught on boundary. Vijy, raki05 and Gollum 1 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: I believe our spinners are much better... Likes of Pope Root Duckett batting for India would score 600 easily vs their own attack. Indians can't play spin. They don't sweep or reverse sweep so they have limited release shots. No wonder they got caught on boundary. One guy who was master at these two shots was Karun Nair. His innings in Chennai was one for the ages, crazy acceleration in that 300 and we almost scored 800 there Not that I am advocating for Karun, just that these two shots add so much to the arsenal for home matches. Karun must have scored 150 runs just with these two shots in that innings. Edited January 28 by Gollum raki05, Lone Wolf and nevada 2 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, Gollum said: One guy who was master at these two shots was Karun Nair. His innings in Chennai was one for the ages, crazy acceleration in that 300 and we almost scored 800 there Not that I am advocating for Karun, just that these two shots add so much to the arsenal for home matches. Karun must have scored 150 runs just with these two shots in that innings. Pant in Sydney & Gabba toyed with Lyon with slog sweeps & lap sweeps. His Sydney 2019 knock was filled with it. Jaiswal can also do that so I hope he learns from this experience. He at least took on Hartley with his slog sweeps in 1st inns. He needs improvement in shot selection vs offies (Pant was a freak in that regard) .. Took on Mehidy like a Pro in Dhaka. Gollum 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 You guys are missing the biggest point here. England batsmen were able to sweep the bowlers off the length. If Hartley had bowled to them they would have swept him into oblivion. INdians don't know how to sweep. A risk free shot by all accounts at Hyderabad. Each batsmen could sweep, reverse sweep at will. That is the major difference here. Indians don't have other option to put off the bowler. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 7 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Pant in Sydney & Gabba toyed with Lyon with slog sweeps & lap sweeps. His Sydney 2019 knock was filled with it. Jaiswal can also do that so I hope he learns from this experience. He at least took on Hartley with his slog sweeps in 1st inns. He needs improvement in shot selection vs offies (Pant was a freak in that regard) .. Took on Mehidy like a Pro in Dhaka. One of the best sweep specialist in INdia is Abimanyu Eswaran. He has wide range of sweeps. Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Bounce was consistent for most parts of English innings, and quite high for an Indian track. Sweep, reverse sweep were safe options, and no one plays them better than Poms. Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Indians giving wickets to debutants.#INDvsENG | #INDvsENGTest | #WTC25 pic.twitter.com/ay4rfsB7td— Rajabets (@smileagainraja) January 28, 2024 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 18 hours ago, Gollum said: One guy who was master at these two shots was Karun Nair. His innings in Chennai was one for the ages, crazy acceleration in that 300 and we almost scored 800 there Not that I am advocating for Karun, just that these two shots add so much to the arsenal for home matches. Karun must have scored 150 runs just with these two shots in that innings. nair and sheldon jackson, even in their old age and declined form, are far better at handling spin than most of our top 6/7. Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 So what happened to the real bazball secret. raki05 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 8 hours ago, putrevus said: So what happened to the real bazball secret. It can't be discussed here or anywhere else. Coz if it gets discussed, it would no longer remain a secret. raki05, nevada and cricspirit 3 Link to comment
raki05 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 We dint loos first test due to baaz ball but due to dravid’s love for mediocre bharat and axar , ahead of Jurel and Kuldeep. No Gaurantee if dravid wouldn’t do same kind of mistake during next series where he play his fav one centurion per series Kela ahead of some of debutants. Ideally only player who should get in to xi is kohli in place of Paadikal and may be Shami in place of Siraj. Frustrated and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 39 minutes ago, raki05 said: We dint loos first test due to baaz ball but due to dravid’s love for mediocre bharat and axar , ahead of Jurel and Kuldeep. No Gaurantee if dravid wouldn’t do same kind of mistake during next series where he play his fav one centurion per series Kela ahead of some of debutants. Ideally only player who should get in to xi is kohli in place of Paadikal and may be Shami in place of Siraj. we also lost because of poor fielding (pope dropped catch), poor bowling (ashwin was off-color that test), poor batting in 4th innings, in addition to bad selections. And yet, even with all these mistakes, only lost by 20-odd runs. Edited March 10 by Vijy nevada and raki05 2 Link to comment
nevada Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 On 3/10/2024 at 7:57 AM, Vijy said: we also lost because of poor fielding (pope dropped catch), poor bowling (ashwin was off-color that test), poor batting in 4th innings, in addition to bad selections. And yet, even with all these mistakes, only lost by 20-odd runs. We could have made up for all the mistakes by batting with a plan and chasing down the target. Our batting badly let us down. Anyways, it was a good wake up call and made us up our game for the rest of the series. 4-1 is nearly as good as 5-0. The weak links have been identified and will no longer be covered up. Vijy 1 Link to comment
Sooda Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) On 1/28/2024 at 6:43 PM, Lone Wolf said: I believe our spinners are much better... Likes of Pope Root Duckett batting for India would score 600 easily vs their own attack. Indians can't play spin. They don't sweep or reverse sweep so they have limited release shots. No wonder they got caught on boundary. Yes...some English batters are much better players of spin...and our batting would be in tatters against Ashwin Jadeja (a key part of our batting of course) and Kuldeep... Edited March 13 by Sooda Link to comment
Sooda Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 1/29/2024 at 2:15 AM, vvvslaxman said: One of the best sweep specialist in INdia is Abimanyu Eswaran. He has wide range of sweeps. Sarfaraz seems good as well Also read that Prabhudessai is a prolific sweeper Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Good to see that Dravid, Rohit and Ashwin came back after this. The best anti-Bazball plans laid out by any opponent till now. Cut down England's risk free scoring from singles by cutting of certain angles etc. Pope's dismissal in the last innings was the prime example . Ash got it to turn past the gate . Kept 6 on the leg side and most in the circle as well and encouraged Pope to drive keeping covers open. Pope got out, desperately looking for a release shot since he didn't want to risk the drive. From 2nd Test onwards , they have completely neutered Bazball tactically which they failed to do during the 196 from Pope. Link to comment
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