What has Ben Stokes done in test matches outside England as an all-rounder?

[Adamant]

On 2/10/2024 at 5:27 PM, putrevus said:

No he is not, he is not even close to Stokes. Don't get confused with Jadeja just because he is Indian.

You have to post facts/stats to prove this.

 

Just because Stokes produced one epic performance in Ashes doesn’t make him great, he has been mediocre away from home.

 

Jadeja is easily the best test allrounder of this generation , Ben Stokes is hardly an allrounder.

[Trichromatic]

Last 37 tests, 1917 runs with average of 29.95, 3 centuries and he has played mainly as batsman during this phase.

Stokes has taken 42 wickets, while Joe Root has taken 40 wickets during same time.

 

Jadeja has scored 1167 runs in 23 tests at avg of 37 and 3 centuries during same phase while taking 80 wickets at avg of 23.

[Trichromatic]

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HC Brook	2022-2023	12	20	1	1181	186	62.15	1287	91.76	4	7	1	141	23
JE Root	2020-2024	47	86	10	4042	228	53.18	6673	60.57	14	12	4	414	23
BM Duckett	2022-2024	16	31	2	1354	182	46.68	1533	88.32	3	6	1	175	6
JM Bairstow	2021-2024	30	55	5	2012	162	40.24	2911	69.11	6	5	7	246	30
JC Buttler	2020-2022	14	23	3	696	152	34.80	1546	45.01	1	3	3	77	6
Z Crawley	2020-2024	38	72	2	2350	267	33.57	3503	67.08	4	12	6	328	10
OJ Pope	2020-2024	34	62	2	1978	205	32.96	3048	64.89	4	8	3	220	11
CR Woakes	2020-2023	14	23	4	577	84*	30.36	963	59.91	0	2	1	72	4
BA Stokes	2020-2024	37	66	2	1917	155	29.95	3208	59.75	3	9	3	199	54
DW Lawrence	2021-2022	11	21	2	551	91	29.00	1023	53.86	0	4	5	61	6
RJ Burns	2020-2022	15	27	0	723	132	26.77	1693	42.70	1	5	8	86	2
BT Foakes	2021-2024	20	35	5	799	113*	26.63	1777	44.96	1	3	3	79	2
AZ Lees	2022-2022	10	19	0	453	67	23.84	1052	43.06	0	2	0	58	1

[vvvslaxman]

Pathetic batting. wow This one of the worst by a visiting captain 

[Trichromatic]

13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pathetic batting. wow This one of the worst by a visiting captain 

 

Easily one of the worst performance by visiting captain in last 30 years or so.

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionval1=batting_position;captain=1;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;host=6;orderby=batting_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin1=3;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;template=results;tournament_type=2;type=batting;view=series

 

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s	Start Date		Winner
HM Amla (SA)	4	7	0	118	43	16.85	576	20.48	0	0	1	12	0	5 Nov 2015		India
Freedom Trophy (South Africa in India), 2015/16
BA Stokes (ENG)	5	10	0	199	70	19.90	367	54.22	0	1	1	19	4	25 Jan 2024		-
Anthony de Mello Trophy (England in India), 2023/24
DL Vettori (NZ)	3	3	0	67	41	22.33	153	43.79	0	0	0	4	2	4 Nov 2010		India
New Zealand in India Test Series, 2010/11
F du Plessis (SA)	3	6	0	142	64	23.66	319	44.51	0	2	0	20	2	2 Oct 2019		India
Freedom Trophy (South Africa in India), 2019/20
CL Hooper (WI)	3	5	0	124	46	24.80	231	53.67	0	0	0	15	2	9 Oct 2002		India
West Indies in India Test Series, 2002/03
AN Cook (ENG)	5	10	0	369	130	36.90	840	43.92	1	1	0	39	0	9 Nov 2016		India
England in India Test Series, 2016/17
AC Gilchrist (AUS)	3	6	1	187	104	37.40	250	74.80	1	0	0	18	3	6 Oct 2004		Australia
Border-Gavaskar Trophy (Australia in India), 2004/05
RT Ponting (AUS)	4	7	0	266	123	38.00	523	50.86	1	1	0	35	0	9 Oct 2008		India
Border-Gavaskar Trophy (Australia in India), 2008/09
N Hussain (ENG)	3	5	0	191	85	38.20	353	54.10	0	2	0	23	3	3 Dec 2001		India
England in India Test Series, 2001/02

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Easily one of the worst performance by visiting captain in last 30 years or so.

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionval1=batting_position;captain=1;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;host=6;orderby=batting_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin1=3;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;template=results;tournament_type=2;type=batting;view=series

 

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s	Start Date		Winner
HM Amla (SA)	4	7	0	118	43	16.85	576	20.48	0	0	1	12	0	5 Nov 2015		India
Freedom Trophy (South Africa in India), 2015/16
BA Stokes (ENG)	5	10	0	199	70	19.90	367	54.22	0	1	1	19	4	25 Jan 2024		-
Anthony de Mello Trophy (England in India), 2023/24
DL Vettori (NZ)	3	3	0	67	41	22.33	153	43.79	0	0	0	4	2	4 Nov 2010		India
New Zealand in India Test Series, 2010/11
F du Plessis (SA)	3	6	0	142	64	23.66	319	44.51	0	2	0	20	2	2 Oct 2019		India
Freedom Trophy (South Africa in India), 2019/20
CL Hooper (WI)	3	5	0	124	46	24.80	231	53.67	0	0	0	15	2	9 Oct 2002		India
West Indies in India Test Series, 2002/03
AN Cook (ENG)	5	10	0	369	130	36.90	840	43.92	1	1	0	39	0	9 Nov 2016		India
England in India Test Series, 2016/17
AC Gilchrist (AUS)	3	6	1	187	104	37.40	250	74.80	1	0	0	18	3	6 Oct 2004		Australia
Border-Gavaskar Trophy (Australia in India), 2004/05
RT Ponting (AUS)	4	7	0	266	123	38.00	523	50.86	1	1	0	35	0	9 Oct 2008		India
Border-Gavaskar Trophy (Australia in India), 2008/09
N Hussain (ENG)	3	5	0	191	85	38.20	353	54.10	0	2	0	23	3	3 Dec 2001		India
England in India Test Series, 2001/02

 

 

 

Jaiswal has scored more runs in one innings than Stokes in the entire series that too twice lol 

[Majestic]

He is South Africa, England and New Zealand conditions bully.

 

Not good enough for the rest part of the world.

[Trichromatic]

5 minutes ago, Majestic said:

He is South Africa, England and New Zealand conditions bully.

 

Not good enough for the rest part of the world.

 

What has he done in NZ?

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

 

What has he done in NZ?

Don't remember. The conditions suit him, he would be fine there.

 

Anyways, he did failed in Australia and India and that's enough to conclude he is not at the elite level.

[Trichromatic]

3 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Don't remember. The conditions suit him, he would be fine there.

 

Anyways, he did failed in Australia and India and that's enough to conclude he is not at the elite level.

 

He has done well only at 2 places - Eng and SA.

[Gollum]

Even I will play spin better than Stokes. What the hell does he even do, Rahane is like Sehwag against spin compared to this clown. 

[mishra]

Stokes is talented. H can bat, He can bowl. He can raise his game.

 

The problem is, English team relied so heavily on him, his body and mind both failed. Now, he has become smarter and understands powe of pay cheque. He won’t do things which will result him going back to what he was before he took captaincy( ie battered man). But One should not rule out the threat he poses to opposition in one off crunch games. 
ie He can raise his game to win a final match but he hasn’t got a body which will carry whole English team on his back to make it into finals.

 

So he is done in my view. He will keep captaincy and may occasionally produce outstanding performances say Ashes in last game where series is decided on last match

Edited March 9, 2024 by mishra

[Gollum]

On 3/8/2024 at 11:49 AM, Lord said:

Another 'clutch' knock coming in at 175-4

He isn't even consistent at home. Produces 1-2 great performances and then goes missing for next 2 series. At least Jadeja, Ashwin are consistent at home...Ashwin struggled here at the start, later came back strongly. 

[goose]

Stokes and Dhoni have one thing in common - both great captains that managed to convince their adoring fans losing didn't matter

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

He isn't even consistent at home. Produces 1-2 great performances and then goes missing for next 2 series. At least Jadeja, Ashwin are consistent at home...Ashwin struggled here at the start, later came back strongly. 

Jaddu Namak Halal hai. Stokes Namak Halal nahi hai

[Trichromatic]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

He isn't even consistent at home. Produces 1-2 great performances and then goes missing for next 2 series. At least Jadeja, Ashwin are consistent at home...Ashwin struggled here at the start, later came back strongly. 

 

He is consistent away from home. Consistently mediocre.

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

He is consistent away from home. Consistently mediocre.

consistently bad actually

[Trichromatic]

Will he ever make significant contribution to English side outside England?

[Majestic]

On 3/9/2024 at 10:18 AM, Adamant said:

You have to post facts/stats to prove this.

 

Just because Stokes produced one epic performance in Ashes doesn’t make him great, he has been mediocre away from home.

 

Jadeja is easily the best test allrounder of this generation , Ben Stokes is hardly an allrounder.

 

4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Will he ever make significant contribution to English side outside England?

If you ask the English or Western countries fans on his contributions outside England,their argument would be that his game is perfectly suitable for performing in bouncy conditions of Australia and South Africa. The reason he didn't performed in Australia last tour was because those were very bowling friendly conditions and most batters failed in that series. Now, he had injury so he couldn't bowl at that time so he didn't picked any wicket. Now, the conditions were certainly tough for batting in last Australia tour while the 2017 Ashes where batting was a lot easier, he was injured.

 

So he has just been unlucky to not contribute in Australia with either bat or ball but otherwise he showed his glimpse very young in his career with a ton and 5-fer when every other England batsman was failing.

Edited October 16, 2024 by Majestic

[Texan]

5 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Will he ever make significant contribution to English side outside England?

If you judge by traditional statistics, he is not really a great player, barely above average.

 

What he brings to the table are his clutch performances

Match winning innings in a World Cup final

Match winning century and historic last wicket stand in an Ashes test

Match winning T20 final innings.