Should Mumbai Delhi Punjab batsman be preferred

[cricketfan28]

thread is brutal , lost my confidence.

[nevada]

23 hours ago, Tillu said:

 

Natarajan and Siraj won the series for us in Australia. Siraj won multiple matches for us in both India and overseas recently.

Add Washie to the list. Crucial, critical contributions in both innings plus vital contributions during the England series. 

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

This often happens due to the person or persons in charge.

 

Bharat Arun created a fierce attack of Siraj, Chama Milind and Ravi for Hyderabad. Either quick or bouncy pacers and all hostile.

 

I think the current Delhi Team has someone influential who likes pace and aggression and hence chooses such pacers. It wasn't the case even a few years back. Look at the Punjab Team. They never choose quick or aggressive pacers. 

 

Karnataka in the 1990s had bowlers of aggressive mentality like Kumble and David Johnson. 

 

Make Bharat Arun or someone similar the bowling coach of a state and that team will have aggressive bowlers.

good coach is helpful, but good pitches, good genes, good nutrition, etc. all matter as well.

[Number]

Even most of the Mumbai cricketers have been mediocre. 

[wanted_desi]

It is one country, your state shouldn't decide whether you should be selected or not. Country is already divided enough by these politicians and Supreme leaders.  

[Suhaan]

On 3/3/2024 at 5:52 PM, express bowling said:

 

Delhi has the quickest group of pacers in India now.

 

Mayank Y, Harshit, Saini, Himanshu, Simarjeet. 

 

Someone in charge of choosing pacers is doing a good job.  

Most of Delhi's supply line comes from bordering UP(West) and to some extent Haryana/UK

[RajBan]

On 3/3/2024 at 4:35 PM, ungboysj said:

Truth pill

Ignorance is bliss.

[Suhaan]

19 hours ago, nevada said:

Add Washie to the list. Crucial, critical contributions in both innings plus vital contributions during the England series. 

Sundar is a braveheart,he's a soldier

What a fighter!

These are the guys you assemble and build a side trying different permutations and combinations

No side should be fixed it should be condition specific

 

[Mesky99]

15 hours ago, Number said:

Even most of the Mumbai cricketers have been mediocre. 

Even their mediocre ones have been decent, wasim jaffer, romesh powar, raju kulkarni, salil anokola, guys like shivalkar, nandkarni, wadekar, sandip patil, shastri, vengsarkar, merchant, manjrekar, gupte, sardesai were all great cricketers. 

[ash]

Issue with TN is the city politics, only the rich boys from fancy schools in Chennai used to get TNCA and Ranji spots. And they were mental midgets. Situation is slowly changing though after TNPL. 

[StraightDrive26]

Horrible thread. You pick players based on talent and performances, not based on the region they come from. In the past India lost lots of good players due to this mentality and some mediocre ones were picked. Remember Sujit Somasundar, Gagan Khoda, Hrishikesh Kanitkar, Deep Das Gupta, Devang Gandhi etc? The list goes on. Most of these players were picked because the chairman was from a particular state or because the captain was from those states etc. Still remember the 1999-2000 tour to Australia which was India's first since 1991/92 tour. The team was horrible and Sachin was blamed for defeat. A batting line up which had MSK Prasad, Kanitkar, Devang Gandhi, Vijay Baradwaj. Ramesh was the only one who did half decent in that series among the newcomers other than VVS off course in the final Test. That was the standard of people getting picked for India. We have come a long way since then. Even though Shiv Sundar Das was from Orissa which was a big deal at that time but that wasn't a norm. We had to deal with many mediocre Mumbai, Karnataka and Delhi players during that time. Tamil Nadu and other states had very low representation in the India team. Dhoni changed that when he emerged from Jharkand and became a superstar. 

MS had conviction and he backed a few good players. He was criticised a lot for backing Ashwin, Jadeja and even Rohit when he was struggling in the middle order for India in LOIs. This sort of mentality will not work in cricket in this day and age. Washington Sundar came into the team in Australia and played brilliantly, Siraj was phenomenal, Rishab Pant became a star. All from different parts of the country, that's what makes India what it is. You cannot go back to the 80's, 90's mentality where certain regions were completely ignored.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, StraightDrive26 said:

Horrible thread. You pick players based on talent and performances, not based on the region they come from. In the past India lost lots of good players due to this mentality and some mediocre ones were picked. Remember Sujit Somasundar, Gagan Khoda, Hrishikesh Kanitkar, Deep Das Gupta, Devang Gandhi etc? The list goes on. Most of these players were picked because the chairman was from a particular state or because the captain was from those states etc. Still remember the 1999-2000 tour to Australia which was India's first since 1991/92 tour. The team was horrible and Sachin was blamed for defeat. A batting line up which had MSK Prasad, Kanitkar, Devang Gandhi, Vijay Baradwaj. Ramesh was the only one who did half decent in that series among the newcomers other than VVS off course in the final Test. That was the standard of people getting picked for India. We have come a long way since then. Even though Shiv Sundar Das was from Orissa which was a big deal at that time but that wasn't a norm. We had to deal with many mediocre Mumbai, Karnataka and Delhi players during that time. Tamil Nadu and other states had very low representation in the India team. Dhoni changed that when he emerged from Jharkand and became a superstar. 

MS had conviction and he backed a few good players. He was criticised a lot for backing Ashwin, Jadeja and even Rohit when he was struggling in the middle order for India in LOIs. This sort of mentality will not work in cricket in this day and age. Washington Sundar came into the team in Australia and played brilliantly, Siraj was phenomenal, Rishab Pant became a star. All from different parts of the country, that's what makes India what it is. You cannot go back to the 80's, 90's mentality where certain regions were completely ignored.

 

For what its worth they should pay attention to Assam, Jammu kashmir other regions despite some regions play only plate division. IPL became a necessary evil. It gave broader visiblity to players hailing from lesser reputed state sides. In the years past Umran Malik probably would have never played for us or even been identified.

[StraightDrive26]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

For what its worth they should pay attention to Assam, Jammu kashmir other regions despite some regions play only plate division. IPL became a necessary evil. It gave broader visiblity to players hailing from lesser reputed state sides. In the years past Umran Malik probably would have never played for us or even been identified.

Agree, there was another J&K pacer called Abid Nabi who clocked 151 Kmph (quickest in domestic before Umran) but we never saw him near selections for the Indian team. May be IPL would have highlighted him as he was a tall bowler as well (6'2). India need to look for promising pacers/spinners from all parts of the country and try to develop them to play for India in the future. Focusing on just couple of states would mean that many talents would go untapped in both batting and bowling. While the OP states south should be ignored, there is Pradosh Ranjan Paul who just scored 163 in SA on the A tour and averages 57 in domestic cricket. 

[express bowling]

The selectors need to identify fighter mentality cricketers from EVERY state ( they are available in every state ) and pick the best among them. 

 

They should NOT focus on a few states. 

[Kron]

Firtst rule as mentioned above;

 

Pick players with good technique vs bounce and spin. Swing and stuff can be taught later. 

 

For batting that is.

 

Next ensure those guys are mentally tough. Can they score tough runs. Do they score under pressure. Are they gritty and stubborn. Do they put a pricr on their wicket. Look for stroke players ideally

 

 

For bowling keep it simple.

 

135 to 145 pace. Do not consider anyone bowling under 135 unless they are trult exceptional and have batting ability. 

 

Identify bowlers who have good pace 135 to 145 and have the potential to improve power hitting to tonk 15 20 runs.

 

Next, make sure they are bouncy or can turn the heat up when needed. 

Bouncy, seam movement and pace is basicslly problem solved. 

 

Swing and stuff can be taught later. 

[vvvslaxman]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

The selectors need to identify fighter mentality cricketers from EVERY state ( they are available in every state ) and pick the best among them. 

 

They should NOT focus on a few states. 

Never say die attitude. I saw that in Bishnoi in the Unfer 19 final along with Jaiswal. Tyagi was also impressive. Uday saharan for all his average looking batting may become a surprise in the future.

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Never say die attitude. I saw that in Bishnoi in the Unfer 19 final along with Jaiswal. Tyagi was also impressive. Uday saharan for all his average looking batting may become a surprise in the future.

I might be wrong but I don't see such never attitude in the likes of Gill, Ruturaj, Padikkal from the younger gen.

 

To an extent Jurel has shown it, Pant has it in abundance. I see that in Sundar as well, just he has to learn how to stay fit, the cameo he played in Gabba can't be done by a mentally weak player.

Even Raj Limbani from this batch has shown he has the ability to soak pressure when stakes are high. Such players need to be promoted by their respective state teams, BCCI should look at this.

[putrevus]

6 hours ago, Kron said:

Firtst rule as mentioned above;

 

Pick players with good technique vs bounce and spin. Swing and stuff can be taught later. 

 

For batting that is.

 

Next ensure those guys are mentally tough. Can they score tough runs. Do they score under pressure. Are they gritty and stubborn. Do they put a pricr on their wicket. Look for stroke players ideally

 

 

For bowling keep it simple.

 

135 to 145 pace. Do not consider anyone bowling under 135 unless they are trult exceptional and have batting ability. 

 

Identify bowlers who have good pace 135 to 145 and have the potential to improve power hitting to tonk 15 20 runs.

 

Next, make sure they are bouncy or can turn the heat up when needed. 

Bouncy, seam movement and pace is basicslly problem solved. 

 

Swing and stuff can be taught later. 

Mumbai team is traditionally team with batsmen fitting your profile. But the Khadoos of Mumbai has not translated into international cricket.

 

Guy like Steve waugh was more Khadoos than Tendulkar.

[Serpico]

Don't we already have majority players from these states? What did all the delhi mumbai punjab heroes do in wc final? Sky played the worst innings I have ever seen from a specialist batsman, he was afraid to take strike from tail enders and watched kuldeep play out maidens from the other end. What happened to his Mumbai clutch genes? OP is arguing for a strategy that is already in place and not yielding desired results 

[Kron]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

Mumbai team is traditionally team with batsmen fitting your profile. But the Khadoos of Mumbai has not translated into international cricket.

 

Guy like Steve waugh was more Khadoos than Tendulkar.

Khadoos without stroke play is bad bro