India 179-178

[goose]

179 test wins

178 test losses

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;template=results;type=team;view=results

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, goose said:

179 test wins

178 test losses

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;template=results;type=team;view=results

 

64 of those have been since 2013 and 41 our of those 64 have been in India.

[Gollum]

In 10-15 years time, we should be #2 behind Australia. Australia's W/L can never be overtaken, unfortunately.

[deathmonger]

9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

In 10-15 years time, we should be #2 behind Australia. Australia's W/L can never be overtaken, unfortunately.

never say never.

 

will take a long time though.

 

on a long enough timeline india should be no 1.

[Gollum]

Just now, deathmonger said:

never say never.

 

will take a long time though.

 

on a long enough timeline india should be no 1.

I think test cricket will die by then. 

[Sgattick10]

Pak has more wins then loses surprisingly 

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

I think test cricket will die by then. 

yeah ofc assuming everything remains the same.

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, Sgattick10 said:

Pak has more wins then loses surprisingly 

will change post the eng home series and sa away series.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

Funny how the record post 2013 coincided with the downfall of teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe to minnow level status.

 

These teams especially at home were impossible to beat in the 80's and 90's. Now they are even losing vs. Bangladesh.

 

It's hilarious people forget this and talk all kinds of stats. 

 

It's obvious cricket is a dying sport and the last remnants of support is in India which has the best talent and money. Nothing changes this dynamic and it's really unfortunate but the truth.

 

SL was mediocre team in 80s and 90s.

[sensible-indian]

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

Funny how the record post 2013 coincided with the downfall of teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe to minnow level status.

 

These teams especially at home were impossible to beat in the 80's and 90's. Now they are even losing vs. Bangladesh.

 

It's hilarious people forget this and talk all kinds of stats. 

 

It's obvious cricket is a dying sport and the last remnants of support is in India which has the best talent and money. Nothing changes this dynamic and it's really unfortunate but the truth.

BLUE BROTHER IS BACKKKKKK.

 

If Indian fans are ever happy...

 

Blue blood makes a grand entry to do this:

 

[deathmonger]

All this nostalgia sucks.

 

SA were not a team in the 80s.

 

SL were poor until the mid 90s.

 

Bang started from the 2000s and only became half decent in 2015.

 

Cricket has always had a few great teams and some mid ones. It's just that now India is a great team, so other teams SEEM weaker. Back in the day India were poor so other teams SEEMed stronger and better.

 

The view is very different from the top compared to from the middle.

 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

Pak has more wins then loses surprisingly 

Shakoor Rana rules 

[Ultimate_Game]

Don't care about old H2H and other stats. Just want us to see us dominate moving forward and win ICC titles. If we do that the records & stats will take care of themselves.

 

Winning matches without any global titles don't mean much - case in point our last decade. That's why priority should be ICC titles. I would rather we overtake Aus in ICC title count than these H2H and historical W/L stats. These sort of records are meant for fans of has been teams such as Pak and WI where they can reminisce and gloat about 70s & 80s. I just want to see India winning ICC titles.

[sensible-indian]

12 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

Truth hurts.

 

Celebrating wins at home against Bangladesh of all teams is the issue at hand.

 

This rewriting of history needs to stop as it denigrates the excellence of Kapil, Sachin etc. Who played at completely different and challenging times.

 

Just look at posts here denigrating Dhoni as if he was "below average" when Kohli and Rohit as captains are playing many of the players of the team he built and got attacked for playing them even after many failures.

 

Remember the time Dhoni wanted Rohit & Jadeja to succeed in Tests so he gave him tons of opportunities at the detriment of other top domestic players? People forget that immediately and rewrite history.

 

 

I agree 

 

We should not celebrate any wins cos other teams got weaker.

 

Never mind the fact that we havent lost a home series in 12 years and we are gonna make WTC finals 3 times in a row...and we did it once beating an ATG Aussie attack in 2020.

 

But we should celebrate the great WI team of 80s who ruled the world when:

 

1. Sa was not allowed to play

2. India was a mid team

3. SL was a minnow

4. Aus was in transition and had a weak era (Border had to rebuild their side)

5. Eng was well...Eng

 

That time...we should not look at opponents.

 

How dare we?

 

They are legends.

 

Sooner we accept they are legends and our wins are simply due to circumstances...the better it is for all of us.

 

Totally with you.

Edited September 23, 2024 by sensible-indian

[Gollum]

9 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

Funny how the record post 2013 coincided with the downfall of teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe to minnow level status.

India haven't played Pak since 2007, Zim since 2005.

 

Hardly play WI these days (unlike say Eng), they will tour India for 2 tests next year, after a gap of 7 years. Anyway WI has been in decline for 2+ decades, at least few in this generation care about test cricket and work with WICB, not against, hence a few wins like in Eng, Aus, UAE (when Pak was much better) etc, something they could never do before that.

 

SL was more than decent till circa 2017 (Herath's last year IIRC), they had Sanga still playing when we beat them in 2015 (also peak Mathews and Herath), they later went on to whitewash Aussies at home, created history in RSA. Anyway we haven't played tests in Lanka since 2017, they have played 3 tests in India since 2013, one which was badly rain affected, the other smog affected.

 

We have improved our record by farming SENA countries. 

Edited September 23, 2024 by Gollum

[Gollum]

@BlueBlood you should cheer up sometimes. Always complaining, downplaying and being salty about Indian achievements. You didn't like when we won the T20 WC. You had plenty of colorful things to say about our chess youngsters (that too teenagers) as well IIRC during the chess WC. 

 

Well the same youngsters won Olympiad gold yesterday by a record margin, something peak USSR/Russia could never manage all these years. Gukesh had the 2nd greatest individual tournament performance in chess history, surpassing anything Carlsen, Kasparov have done in their careers. While your hero Carlsen sulked in the corner, after chickening out of last round to preserve his rating. Beautiful sight, an 18 year old Gukesh winning Olympiad gold for second consecutive time, while Norway finished 10th among European countries because their top board guy wasn't man enough to lead the campaign !!!!! Anyway I expect you stay away from the Olympiad thread, you delve in negativity. Long may it continue because our kids are just getting started. 

Edited September 23, 2024 by Gollum

[Gollum]

4 hours ago, deathmonger said:

All this nostalgia sucks.

 

SA were not a team in the 80s.

 

SL were poor until the mid 90s.

 

Bang started from the 2000s and only became half decent in 2015.

 

Cricket has always had a few great teams and some mid ones. It's just that now India is a great team, so other teams SEEM weaker. Back in the day India were poor so other teams SEEMed stronger and better.

 

The view is very different from the top compared to from the middle.

Aus still great but marginally down from 2000s, still a beast in ICC events. 

 

Eng way better than 90s  and early 00s self, behind 2008-12 team, but good.

 

NZ golden generation, all time NZ XI will have at least 6 players from post 2010 teams

 

RSA down but not out, still scary team in their home conditions. No RSA before 1992, people should remember.

 

WI around the same level for last 20 years, but this squad has more committed players.

 

SL like in late 80s and early 90s, but better overseas because of quicks. Were in golden phase till around 2017-18 but many talented youngsters couldn't sustain.

 

Pak declined in last 5 years, but had one of their strongest ever teams from 2012 till 2017-18 when prime/peak Misbah, Younis, Azhar Ali, Sarfraz, Yasir Shah etc. were still around. 

 

India much better now, ask other fanbases. 

 

Competition has been same for last half a century at least, only that we were piss poor in 80s and 90s and hence tend to overrate those eras. People don't know how weak Aussies were in 80s, or how NZ was just one man army.....if 80s had WI, Pak, Eng this era has Ind, Aus, NZ, Eng. 

Edited September 23, 2024 by Gollum

[rollingstoned]

27 minutes ago, Gollum said:

India haven't played Pak since 2007, Zim since 2005.

 

Hardly play WI these days (unlike say Eng), they will tour India for 2 tests next year, after a gap of 7 years. Anyway WI has been in decline for 2+ decades, at least few in this generation care about test cricket and work with WICB, not against, hence a few wins like in Eng, Aus, UAE (when Pak was much better) etc, something they could never do before that.

 

SL was more than decent till circa 2017 (Herath's last year IIRC), they had Sanga still playing when we beat them in 2015 (also peak Mathews and Herath), they later went on to whitewash Aussies at home, created history in RSA. Anyway we haven't played tests in Lanka since 2017, they have played 3 tests in India since 2013, one which was badly rain affected, the other smog affected.

 

We have improved our record by farming SENA countries. 

Much to our detriment it must be said, this record would look a lot different if we were playing 3-4 test series against these teams which were supposed to be very good 2 decades ago like we are being told. Padosis would not still have the h2h record to brag about.

OTOH we are playing long test series home and away against Australia and England where the chance that we will not win a game is much higher even at home.

 

 

[mani sha]

People forget India was a poor bowling team till Kapil came in . 
We became a decent test team at home since kapil came in .. 

with srinath and Zaheer we started winning a few matches abroad too but not consistently. 
 

With bumrah Shami Ishant and yadav , we finally got a pace quartet who could win us matches abroad.  Their rise coincided with jadeja ashwin rise - second and third greatest all rounders along with Dhoni and pant - great wkt keeping batsmen who helped India win several matches both home and abroad ( pant in particular ) 

 

 

key to winning is bowling and bowling all rounders coupled with aggressive opening batsmen - Sehwag , sharma , gambhir m vijay etc helped us a lot too over last 10 years 

 

Heron , it will only improve over next 20 years . Test cricket won’t die but will have mainly 3-4 nations on top and smaller nations will loose appetite for tests as t20 brings more monies 

[Ultimate_Game]

4 hours ago, mani sha said:

People forget India was a poor bowling team till Kapil came in . 
We became a decent test team at home since kapil came in .. 

with srinath and Zaheer we started winning a few matches abroad too but not consistently. 
 

With bumrah Shami Ishant and yadav , we finally got a pace quartet who could win us matches abroad.  Their rise coincided with jadeja ashwin rise - second and third greatest all rounders along with Dhoni and pant - great wkt keeping batsmen who helped India win several matches both home and abroad ( pant in particular ) 

 

 

key to winning is bowling and bowling all rounders coupled with aggressive opening batsmen - Sehwag , sharma , gambhir m vijay etc helped us a lot too over last 10 years 

 

Heron , it will only improve over next 20 years . Test cricket won’t die but will have mainly 3-4 nations on top and smaller nations will loose appetite for tests as t20 brings more monies 

 

Bowling wins you matches as they always keep you in the game. Would always take a Bumrah over say a Rohit or a Kohli. Every great team had great bowling - be it WI in 80s or Aus in 90s and early 90s. India had one of the best batting lineups in history in Sehwag, Dravid, SRT, Ganguly, VVS but we didn't win shyte away as we didn't have the bowling. It proves that a champion bowling unit will win you much more than star batsmen.