When was last time Indian cricket team showed such intent for result in a test match?

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

There was another I recall against NZ when we won the series 1-0. We could've won the 2nd Test but MSD went for safety first instead of declaring early.

 

IMO it was part of our maturity curve. At the time winning away was rare and you wouldn't want to risk it no matter what. That's why we were way too cautious preserving a series win instead of going for another Test win. But now things have changed. We expect to win, and want more Test wins.

 

Finally, we're at a stage where we expect to win against anyone and play accordingly. Took a long time coming but finally we're there!

 

Ganguly had a different issue. Often would win first Test and give away the lead and end up losing the series or drawing the series

[nitinbwj]

Had we batted full 90 overs,we would have scored ..720 runs in a day..beat that England  shove your 500 against Pak up yours 

[Lord]

Lord 2021

 

converted a loss into a win all on last day.

[Gollum]

Fab 4/5 team had more batting talent, but this kind of ruthless drive was missing. They would have been happy settling for a draw here and bringing individual milestones. Only Sehwag was the exception (in 90s maybe Tendulkar), VVS also didn't care for stats but he was more like an 80 SR player at his best. 

 

Post 2015 India is probably the most unselfish team I have seen, and risk taking (Adelaide 2014 kickstarted it), not basing on this match which I didn't watch. 

[Gollum]

In 2000s, we would be content with 1-0 victories, our batsmen rarely pushed beyond their comfort zone, bowlers would go through the motions instead of bending their backs. Underachieved big time, happily conceded so many draws even at home.

[Gollum]

Remember 1st test of 2017 home series against Lanka, in Eden. Rain affected match, and we almost won on day 5. Kohli scored a blazing ton, rain screwed the party on final day as well when we pushed for the win. 

[diga]

4 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I know but this thread is purely about intent.

 

Even back then, Aussies used to score at 4 RPO odd.

 

We used to do it even earlier. Remember many home series and Pakistan tours where we scored very quickly. 

 

This rate is unprecedented and even the Bazballers have never done this. 

WTC points changed the perspective of teams.. no doubt 8rpo is humungous , but for the sheer variety of bowling attack & 4th innings chase of 350+, I would rank that above this win

[diga]

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[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Ganguly had a different issue. Often would win first Test and give away the lead and end up losing the series or drawing the series

 

And he had a penchant for losing finals... lost 9 consecutive finals before things changed with that Natwest trophy final where Yuvi & Kaif chased down 326.

[Nikhil_cric]

10 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

And he had a penchant for losing finals... lost 9 consecutive finals before things changed with that Natwest trophy final where Yuvi & Kaif chased down 326.

India lost 9 consecutive finals but I don't think Ganguly was captain in all of them .

 

I can only think of 5 when he was captain before NatWest final. 

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

India lost 9 consecutive finals but I don't think Ganguly was captain in all of them .

 

I can only think of 5 when he was captain before NatWest final. 

 

Don't recall who was captain but we lost nearly every tourney/tri-series captained by Ganguly, including the 2000 CT to an ordinary kiwi team.

[Sean Bradley]

Definitely not under MSD

[Nikhil_cric]

10 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Don't recall who was captain but we lost nearly every tourney/tri-series captained by Ganguly, including the 2000 CT to an ordinary kiwi team.

But we kicked above our weight by even reaching the finals of that one. 

 

I wouldn't blame Ganguly for losing finals specifically. 

 

We were just a poor ODI team that got beaten up even in bilaterals regularly. 

 

As late as 2006 , we lost 4-1 to the West Indies of all teams in the Caribbean.

 

[R!TTER]

2 hours ago, diga said:

WTC points changed the perspective of teams.. no doubt 8rpo is humungous , but for the sheer variety of bowling attack & 4th innings chase of 350+, I would rank that above this win

No it didn't - WTC sh!t been going on for what 5 years now? The difference is yup Eng - have to give credit to them to show how you can achieve results in extreme cases.

 

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

including the 2000 CT to an ordinary kiwi team.

The team that knocked out WC champs Oz in 2002 tri series in Oz, you sure NZ were an ordinary ODI team? FFS they were semi finalists in 99 WC as well.

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

But we kicked above our weight by even reaching the finals of that one. 

 

I wouldn't blame Ganguly for losing finals specifically. 

 

We were just a poor ODI team that got beaten up even in bilaterals regularly. 

 

As late as 2006 , we lost 4-1 to the West Indies of all teams in the Caribbean.

 

 

I would agree with you but some of those finals defeats were to poor WI and average NZ sides. Losing to Aus or SA of the time was one thing but losing to WI and NZ wasn't on.

[Ultimate_Game]

8 hours ago, R!TTER said:

No it didn't - WTC sh!t been going on for what 5 years now? The difference is yup Eng - have to give credit to them to show how you can achieve results in extreme cases.

 

The team that knocked out WC champs Oz in 2002 tri series in Oz, you sure NZ were an ordinary ODI team? FFS they were semi finalists in 99 WC as well.

 

NZ were 130/5 chasing 260+. Losing from such a position was indeed shocking. Plus we were 140+/0 while batting first and we imploded there as well. Mentally we were a pretty weak team in finals under Ganguly.

[R!TTER]

8 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

NZ were 130/5 chasing 260+. Losing from such a position was indeed shocking. Plus we were 140+/0 while batting first and we imploded there as well. Mentally we were a pretty weak team in finals under Ganguly.

Yes but NZ were not a bad team, I'd argue a top 3 ODI team at the time. We became top 2 only after Ganguly who backed the likes of Zaheer, Yuvraj, Kaif through the years!

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, R!TTER said:

Yes but NZ were not a bad team, I'd argue a top 3 ODI team at the time. We became top 2 only after Ganguly who backed the likes of Zaheer, Yuvraj, Kaif through the years!

 

NZ were about the as strong as us. We beat them in 2003 CT and also in 2003 WC. And beat them often except for that final. Plus we lost to WI as well in a final where nobodies beat us. Losing 9 straight does show there was a problem just like we struggled over the last decade with top-heavy batting where the batsmen failed to show up when it mattered.

[Rightarmfast]

13 hours ago, Gollum said:

Fab 4/5 team had more batting talent, but this kind of ruthless drive was missing. They would have been happy settling for a draw here and bringing individual milestones. Only Sehwag was the exception (in 90s maybe Tendulkar), VVS also didn't care for stats but he was more like an 80 SR player at his best. 

 

Post 2015 India is probably the most unselfish team I have seen, and risk taking (Adelaide 2014 kickstarted it), not basing on this match which I didn't watch. 

The fab 4/5 didnt have a Bumrah. And hence the difference. Fast bowling was on the up during that time, but nothing like what we have now. with a Bumrah and Shami, they would have been going for the kill. 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I would agree with you but some of those finals defeats were to poor WI and average NZ sides. Losing to Aus or SA of the time was one thing but losing to WI and NZ wasn't on.

Yes but it wasn't a case of us just choking in finals alone. 

 

We were generally a poor side and even lost to these teams in bilaterals .

Our bilateral records against SL and WI only turned in our favour from 2005 and 2007 respectively. 

 

England were themselves often weaker than all of WI, NZ and SL. 

 

And we just about managed to beat England in 2002.