Heads have to roll after this New Zealand series

[SandeepMotta]

43 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

We can't keep planning for the future with guys like RGS, Kohli etc. 

 

They are done across all formats. 

 

The 2027 World Cup is 3 years away and it has to be kept in mind while playing even ODIs.  

 

Bilateral ODIs are rare and we should be bedding in youngsters in these rather than ploughing on with geriatrics. 

 

In Tests, we should be prepared to lose a few Tests to build a new team even if it means dropping these guys for BGT as well. 

 

 

Fanboi Jay shah won't let it happen.

[SandeepMotta]

30 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

A lot of the criticism was on Dravid for being "soft" on players and not axing them . 

 

The expectation was that the all powerful Gambhir would be sterner. First series loss in 11 years at home says otherwise. 

The criticism of Dravid was also about his not backing fast bowlers.

[SandeepMotta]

Rohit the batsman is past it but Rohit the captain is probably one of the most clues test captains we have had.

[Gollum]

Sign from above to all of us. Stop wasting time on this sport. 

 

WC final was the lesson but most of us were too shameless to quit. 

 

Another 10 WCs won't wash away the shame of losing on Nov 19.

 

Something similar unraveling here, a black mark that can never be corrected. 

[LordPrabhzy]

6 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

The main fault is idiot fans on this board itself who are fan boys.

 

Calling Ashwin ATG after he best a hapless minnow Bangladesh which is probably the worst Test team in the world now.

 

Hating on prior legends like Kumble or Sachin and calling them losers even though they played tougher competition.

 

I mean NZ only had one good bowler in Santner and they still gave a part timer like Glen Philipps 2 wickets. 

 

Santner is no Vettori and even last game they fell to O'rourke who is no Morne Morkel or Alan Donald but they feared him like that.

 

The cracks were visible with Rohit Sharma being the worst captain aided by helpful joke home pitches and prime Bumrah/Pant and lower order which were saving his ass. But the minute Bumrah became ineffective you can see how bad the bowling is.

 

Now go ahead and celebrate that dunce Jadeja is the greatest batting all rounder and the failure Ashwin as ATG above warned and Murali... 

 

The chutiya fanbase on this Forum is also part of the problem- hyping up old hasbeens based on past performances and being ardent toxic fanboys is causing the downfall of Test cricket in India. 

 

I mean i can imagine overseas drubbing but we should be piling runs like anything on home conditions.. but how will any do this. When was the last time Kohli or Rohit played Ranji? When did Gill play a Ranji match, Pant, etc. No one can bat long and build an innings. They will be massacred in Australia.

 

Kohli and Rohit are busy making babies and holidaying in London- you cannot be serious cricketers if this is your priority

[ash]

Tbf it is not only Kohli who lost his form in 2019, it is the entire Indian batting lineup. We were surviving for 5 years because Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah were carrying us , along with some sporadic genius innings from Rohit and Pant here and there. This loss is not at a surprise for ppl following this team, the only surprise is it came too late, expected this against England or Australia. 

 

 

 

[raki05]

Ghanta head roll hoga…. Same phattus will go to aus and get humiliated there .

[diga]

19 minutes ago, ash said:

Tbf it is not only Kohli who lost his form in 2019, it is the entire Indian batting lineup. We were surviving for 5 years because Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah were carrying us , along with some sporadic genius innings from Rohit and Pant here and there. This loss is not at a surprise for ppl following this team, the only surprise is it came too late, expected this against England or Australia. 

Against England, we got saved by Kohli's absence

[The Realist]

Nothing is going to happen when you have a lazy past it captain who has given up both on and off the pitch. Dreadful body language and physical conditioning and arguably the worst captain in cricket. 

 

There is zero future planning or strategy. Case in point serial underperfomer Rahul will be back and the cycle will repeat.

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by The Realist

[Chakdephatte]

Always remember that home series that we lost under Dhoni directly after the World Cup. 

 

Dhoni was not sacked then, the selector was 

 

This is BCCI 

[Lord]

5 hours ago, SandeepMotta said:

The criticism of Dravid was also about his not backing fast bowlers.

 

Harshit is yet to play under GG, we all know why. 

[Lord]

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

Ghanta head roll hoga…. Same phattus will go to aus and get humiliated there .

 

yes Kela will join them as we need eggsperience

[R!TTER]

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

Same phattus will go to aus and get humiliated there .

And then get humiliated vs Pak - ultimate reverse Mauka Mauka 

[Sean Bradley]

So much for the Gautam Gambhir era and the hype. This series loss is probably going to show us a mirror.

 

1) RoKo ko roko.

2) Ashwin/Jadeja last legs.

3) Bumrah has begin to fade.

 

What could be done

 

1) Pant to be made the test captain.

2) Washi is a good back up for Ashwin, Axar for Jadeja

3) Need to start grooming next spear head pacer.

4) Need to identify domestic batters who are good against spin, so that the strategy doesnt back fire like it did in this series. 

[Chakdephatte]

1 minute ago, Sean Bradley said:

1) Pant to be made the test captain.

2) Washi is a good back up for Ashwin, Axar for Jadeja

3) Need to start grooming next spear head pacer.

4) Need to identify domestic batters who are good against spin, so that the strategy doesnt back fire like it did in this series. 

 

So basically, everything is wrong 

[New guy]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

There are only two senior batsman in this side so I don't think blaming only them is wise.

So we should sack juniors? What kind of logic is this? Opening and no  3/4 are extremely important, another senior Rahul got sacked only this game, he was there till last game. 

 

I agree with a poster who had said before that  you are contrarian only for the sake of being contrarian, there is no consistency of thoughts. 

Edited October 25, 2024 by New guy

[R!TTER]

Any captain, or one format cap, has a shelf life - that is till their batting/bowling returns are relatively good.  When their batting goes down, massively in case of Brat or RGS, then you should either remove them as cap &/or drop them! This was almost always the norm before that *er MS backstabbed Amarnath with the help of his CSK patrons 

 

Now with that precedent it was harder to remover BRat & even worse with RGS, since Reliance is also a core support w/vested interests.

[New guy]

3 hours ago, ash said:

Tbf it is not only Kohli who lost his form in 2019, it is the entire Indian batting lineup. We were surviving for 5 years because Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah were carrying us , along with some sporadic genius innings from Rohit and Pant here and there. This loss is not at a surprise for ppl following this team, the only surprise is it came too late, expected this against England or Australia. 

 

 

 

Pant has been incredibly consistent before and after his injury and was the most important batsman on every tour and top scored. Comparing him to Rohit is extremely uncharitable. You mentioned bowlers and all rounders but Pant literally carried our batting and was very inconsistent and opposite of sporadic in all tours he was part of

 

He had a match winning innings in every series, often from difficult positions

Edited October 25, 2024 by New guy

[New guy]

3 hours ago, diga said:

Against England, we got saved by Kohli's absence

Dont forget, in last BGT too. We were 36 all out with him in team and he kept Pant out. As soon as he left we fought back and won

 

In the England tour he was one of the chief influence of our team leaving early when we were 2-1 ahead and had momentum. We came back and lost and final score was 2-2 and we lost chance of an english series win

Edited October 25, 2024 by New guy

[Rasgulla]

30 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

Always remember that home series that we lost under Dhoni directly after the World Cup. 

 

Dhoni was not sacked then, the selector was 

 

This is BCCI 

But that’s thala he can sack PM at that time if he wanted to