Vinod Kambli admitted to hospital in critical condition

[nevada]

Former Indian cricketer Vinod Kambli, 52 years old, was admitted to Akriti Hospital in Thane. His health went drastically wrong over the weekend

[Ultimate_Game]

Sad news and Kambli's health is more like a 82 year old than a typical 52 year old person due to all the drugs and poor lifestyle he led. He should be a lesson to every youngster out there, especially Shaw. They should take note that time changes pretty quickly and fame & fortune is extremely fickle.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

Former Indian cricketer Vinod Kambli, 52 years old, was admitted to Akriti Hospital in Thane. His health went drastically wrong over the weekend

I don't think he will survive for long, he don't have much money left and the way his health has went down, it's not sustainable anymore.

[iroman]

I remember following him and SRT from their school cricket times. Was thrilled when VK made a splash on international scene. He didn't make a successful cricket career, that is sad but I get it. Too much competition.  But this state at the age of 52 is truly heartbreaking.  This feels worse than anything on the cricket field. I hope the young generations learn something from this.  I pray he comes out safe.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Sad news and Kambli's health is more like a 82 year old than a typical 52 year old person due to all the drugs and poor lifestyle he led. He should be a lesson to every youngster out there, especially Shaw. They should take note that time changes pretty quickly and fame & fortune is extremely fickle.

 

52 is the new 42 or even less. But with Kambli it is 82. Amazing how poor life style can accelerate aging.

[New guy]

14 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I don't think he will survive for long, he don't have much money left and the way his health has went down, it's not sustainable anymore.

I don't think money will be a problem as he will have people donating to him. But his health is really really bad

[Lord]

15 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Sad news and Kambli's health is more like a 82 year old than a typical 52 year old person due to all the drugs and poor lifestyle he led. He should be a lesson to every youngster out there, especially Shaw. They should take note that time changes pretty quickly and fame & fortune is extremely fickle.

 

More than fame and fortune, I feel that they got disillusioned by treatment meted out to them. Kambli was dropped after one bad series v WI. He retired with average of 54. When you are touted as talented, such non-backing can be disheartening.

 

Even Shaw was dropped after getting injured in 2018-19 BGT.

 

Such cricketers are aware they are highly talented and perhaps expect backing. 

[Sean Bradley]

13 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

More than fame and fortune, I feel that they got disillusioned by treatment meted out to them. Kambli was dropped after one bad series v WI. He retired with average of 54. When you are touted as talented, such non-backing can be disheartening.

 

Even Shaw was dropped after getting injured in 2018-19 BGT.

 

Such cricketers are aware they are highly talented and perhaps expect backing. 

 

I think players like Kambli & Shaw doesn't get backed because they lack humility after a certain point and create a toxic environment for others around them. On the contrary players like Rohit Sharma who was more or less the same talent as these two got backed majorly because of his attitude towards the game and peers probably. At the end no one is bigger than the game, one should learn to be humble and keep doing his bit and whats under your control as a player. 

i.e. be a student of the game, stay fit, and stay hungry.

Edited December 24, 2024 by Sean Bradley

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

I don't think money will be a problem as he will have people donating to him. But his health is really really bad

Problem is people won't donate for him again and again if he doesn't change.

 

I read in some article that in the past as well, some ex cricketers and BCCI helped him...but he went back to his old habits. 

 

Hope all is not lost and he disciplines himself, this might be the last help he may get.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said:

 

I think players like Kambli & Shaw doesn't get backed because they lack humility after a certain point and create a toxic environment for others around them. On the contrary players like Rohit Sharma who was more or less the same talent as these two got backed majorly because of his attitude towards the game and peers probably. At the end no one is bigger than the game, one should learn to be humble and keep doing his bit and whats under your control as a player. 

i.e. be a student of the game, stay fit, and stay hungry.

Key thing is discipline & a guardian.

 

BCCI is very much against the indiscipline specially during the tournament for less established cricketers. Those who are young and get fame quickly can easily fall off track.

 

That's where you need a senior, who can protect you. Yuvraj was saved many times by Ganguly in his younger days, he was a match winner but very inconsistent. Plus that his party boy image.

Had it not been Ganguly, things may have turned out very different for him. That's something where Kambli and to an extent Shaw missed out.

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, Lord said:

 

More than fame and fortune, I feel that they got disillusioned by treatment meted out to them. Kambli was dropped after one bad series v WI. He retired with average of 54. When you are touted as talented, such non-backing can be disheartening.

 

Even Shaw was dropped after getting injured in 2018-19 BGT.

 

Such cricketers are aware they are highly talented and perhaps expect backing. 

 

To be fair he was up against would be Indian  legends  Laxman, Dravid, Ganguly. The thing about cricket is only when they are missed people will remember. At that point India didn't miss him.  Similar to many stories.  Sandip patil was dropped from 1984/85 test for disciplinary reason (basically for playing a reckless shot). He made 30 & 41. Not a terrible score. India brought Azharuddin in. He made sure India didn't miss Patil. Patil's career was over. Same happened with Manjrekar. ON the contrary when you don't have right replacement you might go back to washed up layers like we did with RP singh for one England tour, Murali vijay for one England tour. 

[New guy]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

 

More than fame and fortune, I feel that they got disillusioned by treatment meted out to them. Kambli was dropped after one bad series v WI. He retired with average of 54. When you are touted as talented, such non-backing can be disheartening.

 

Even Shaw was dropped after getting injured in 2018-19 BGT.

 

Such cricketers are aware they are highly talented and perhaps expect backing. 

Kambli started failing in multiple series with the same short ball weakness. Instead of working on them or listening to coaches he was out drinking and partying all night. 

 

He averaged great first year he played (in only 7 matches)  in tests but averaged in the 20s in the next two years before being dropped, with 0 100s and only 2 50s in 10 mayches. All his average is based on his debut year of just 7 matches,  he failed after all teams found his weakness.

 

In ODIs he played for 10 years(102 matches is more than many players entire career) and averaged below 30 in each of last 5 years, in fact last 6 years of his odi career he averaged 23 in 51 ODIs with just 1 100 and 3 50s.

 

Its a myth he wasn't given enough chances or supported. He simply failed at the top level after a great start. Anyone would be dropped with his performance, some even before him.

Edited December 24, 2024 by New guy

[singhvivek141]

20 minutes ago, New guy said:

Kambli started failing in multiple series with the same short ball weakness. Instead of working on them or listening to coaches he was out drinking and partying all night. 

 

He averaged great first year he played (in only 7 matches)  in tests but averaged in the 20s in the next two years before being dropped, with 0 100s and only 2 50s in 10 mayches. All his average is based on his debut year of just 7 matches,  he failed after all teams found his weakness.

 

In ODIs he played for 10 years and averaged below 30 in each of last 5 years, in fact last 6 years of his odi career he averaged 23 in 51 ODIs with just 1 100 and 3 50s.

 

Its a myth he wasn't given enough chances or supported. He simply failed at the top level after a great start. Anyone would be dropped with his performance, some even before him.

Adding to that he became fat and unfit as well. Wasn't even able to run properly and was late in reaction everytime whether fielding or batting. Ramesh Power infact was a better fielder than Kambli was in 1997-98.

 

Raina too had weakness against short ball, but Raina was agile and absolutely monster against any other deliveries...Kambli was so mentally scarred by short deliveries that he stopped going on front foot even against spinners (something he was excellent at the start of his career). At the same time Dravid & Ganguly was selected for England tour in 1997 and both kinda cemented their place.

 

He did made a mini comeback in domestics in 2003-04 season where he scored double century. But by that time we already had found our core in form of Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman....Kambli just lost the race.

[Ultimate_Game]

8 hours ago, Lord said:

 

More than fame and fortune, I feel that they got disillusioned by treatment meted out to them. Kambli was dropped after one bad series v WI. He retired with average of 54. When you are touted as talented, such non-backing can be disheartening.

 

Even Shaw was dropped after getting injured in 2018-19 BGT.

 

Such cricketers are aware they are highly talented and perhaps expect backing. 

 

He got enough chances IMO. 17 Tests and 104 ODIs is not something to sneeze at. The problem was he wasn't that good. His big scores came against a poor Zim team at home. Plus he got so many chances in ODIs and all he could do was average 32.

 

Comparison with Tendulkar is all well and good but they weren't at the same skill level. You could see the difference in skill and talent when they played. Kambli could feast on poor bowling but against better bowlers he looked out of place unlike Tendulkar.

 

Shaw was unfortunate to get injured at a bad time but he hasn't done himself any favors either. In the last BGT he got his shot ahead of Gill and he looked fish out of water. He was found out and when Gill got his chance, he performed. He also got chances in ODIs and couldn't do much. Even in IPL he looked distinctly average. At some point you have to take a closer look at yourself than blame all and sundry.

[singhvivek141]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/vinod-kambli-brain-declared-unstable-by-doctor-there-are-degenerative-changes-101735037770218.html

 

Not a very positive news.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

He got enough chances IMO. 17 Tests and 104 ODIs is not something to sneeze at. The problem was he wasn't that good. His big scores came against a poor Zim team at home. Plus he got so many chances in ODIs and all he could do was average 32.

 

Comparison with Tendulkar is all well and good but they weren't at the same skill level. You could see the difference in skill and talent when they played. Kambli could feast on poor bowling but against better bowlers he looked out of place unlike Tendulkar.

 

When you average 54 in those 17 Tests, you deserve more backing. Guy did well in SL against Murali and also smashed. He had a problem with short stuff but lot of cricketers have had successful careers despite that but they were backed.

 

Being worse than Sachin doesn't mean he was trash. He was still lot more talented than many who played longer

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Shaw was unfortunate to get injured at a bad time but he hasn't done himself any favors either. In the last BGT he got his shot ahead of Gill and he looked fish out of water. He was found out and when Gill got his chance, he performed. He also got chances in ODIs and couldn't do much. Even in IPL he looked distinctly average. At some point you have to take a closer look at yourself than blame all and sundry.

 

Shaw failed in the pink ball match where everyone failed.We got shot for 36 lol. Even Gill would have failed if he played that. Shaw scored a ton on debut and also scored relatively well on grass lawns in NZ. 

 

In ODIs he played 6 games and in his last series he produced a MOM performance. How much he should have done? Even in IPL he did well in initial years

 

Ofcourse he is to blame for his situation now but there are always triggers. 

[Ultimate_Game]

23 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

When you average 54 in those 17 Tests, you deserve more backing. Guy did well in SL against Murali and also smashed. He had a problem with short stuff but lot of cricketers have had successful careers despite that but they were backed.

 

Being worse than Sachin doesn't mean he was trash. He was still lot more talented than many who played longer

 

Shaw failed in the pink ball match where everyone failed.We got shot for 36 lol. Even Gill would have failed if he played that. Shaw scored a ton on debut and also scored relatively well on grass lawns in NZ. 

 

In ODIs he played 6 games and in his last series he produced a MOM performance. How much he should have done? Even in IPL he did well in initial years

 

Ofcourse he is to blame for his situation now but there are always triggers. 

 

His time was up as we got Dravid and Ganguly in mid 90s. That was the end of him in Tests. If we didn't get them that time or had they failed we probably would've seen Kambli make a comeback but you couldn't add Kambli in a middle order of Ganguly, Dravid and Tendulkar. Plus Kambli's attitude didn't do him any favors either. His stories about indiscipline, drug abuse and poor lifestyle was known at that time itself. It's a miracle he was given chances in so many ODIs as he didn't deserve those and if he hadn't been from Mumbai, probably wouldn't have played so many ODIs.

[Vancouver]

46 minutes ago, Lord said:

Guy did well in SL against Murali and also smashed. He had a problem with short stuff but lot of cricketers have had successful careers despite that but they were backed.

 

Being worse than Sachin doesn't mean he was trash. He was still lot more talented than many who played longer.

 

SL was a bowling minnow in tests in 93-95 and Kambli faced them in home or home like conditions.

 

Murali averaged 45, 35, 25, 36 in first 4 years of his career. He averaged below 20 in 96 & 98. Whereas in 2000s he did it 5 times, he averaged below 18 4 times. Murali was a beast between 2000-2007 and Sachin/Sehwag faced him during peak.

 

Kambli was not just worse than Sachin, he was many tiers below Sachin who was already a well established overseas batter and future all time great.

 

 

 

[NameGoesHere]

5 hours ago, New guy said:

Kambli started failing in multiple series with the same short ball weakness. Instead of working on them or listening to coaches he was out drinking and partying all night. 

 

He averaged great first year he played (in only 7 matches)  in tests but averaged in the 20s in the next two years before being dropped, with 0 100s and only 2 50s in 10 mayches. All his average is based on his debut year of just 7 matches,  he failed after all teams found his weakness.

 

In ODIs he played for 10 years(102 matches is more than many players entire career) and averaged below 30 in each of last 5 years, in fact last 6 years of his odi career he averaged 23 in 51 ODIs with just 1 100 and 3 50s.

 

It’s a myth he wasn't given enough chances or supported. He simply failed at the top level after a great start. Anyone would be dropped with his performance, some even before him.

This post should be recommended reading for anyone who believes that Kambli was hard done by or was discriminated against or was a great opportunity lost by India or that he was somehow more deserving than SRT. 

 

Nope.

 

His career panned out exactly as his performance merited, exactly as the amount of effort he put into it, exactly as he deserved.

 

That said, Kambli is a tragedy.  Because had the man been born into a more affluent or even middle class family, had he the benefit of a strong familial and social network, a proper circular of educated advisors, he would have done better.  Instead, like a lot of basically uneducated NFL players who completely lack life skills, he went wild, blew his money, wasn’t disciplined, and then crashed and burned.  That is the real Kambli tragedy. 

Edited December 24, 2024 by NameGoesHere

[rkt.india]

14 hours ago, Vancouver said:

 

SL was a bowling minnow in tests in 93-95 and Kambli faced them in home or home like conditions.

 

Murali averaged 45, 35, 25, 36 in first 4 years of his career. He averaged below 20 in 96 & 98. Whereas in 2000s he did it 5 times, he averaged below 18 4 times. Murali was a beast between 2000-2007 and Sachin/Sehwag faced him during peak.

 

Kambli was not just worse than Sachin, he was many tiers below Sachin who was already a well established overseas batter and future all time great.

 

 

 

Murli became beast only after he added doosra, started chucking blatantly after being cleared.