BacktoCricaddict Posted May 27 Posted May 27 (edited) While he was never a big-hitter like VS (but then, who is?), he was a fluent 160-180 SR player. He dominated the IPL for a couple of years. He seems a bit lost now. Maybe RR told him to play 2nd fiddle and he is confused by this role? Edited May 27 by BacktoCricaddict
vvvslaxman Posted May 27 Posted May 27 Ball is quiet often hitting his splice in this edition. Quiet unusual. I Couldn't put a finger on it. May be issue with back of a length ball.
vvvslaxman Posted May 27 Posted May 27 (edited) Rayudu on cricinfo says "Jaiswal has to change his team" lol He will always be over-burdened by the sight of Vaibhav at other end. Rayudu says MI should consider Jaiswal Edited May 27 by vvvslaxman
Gollum Posted May 27 Posted May 27 Vaibhav's batting has demoralized him. Can't play well under his shadow. I am sure he will do better with some other opener. This kid is a freak, even Kohli, Rohit, peak Sachin would feel intimidated in his presence. nevada 1
vvvslaxman Posted May 27 Posted May 27 12 minutes ago, Gollum said: Vaibhav's batting has demoralized him. Can't play well under his shadow. I am sure he will do better with some other opener. This kid is a freak, even Kohli, Rohit, peak Sachin would feel intimidated in his presence. Actually Ayush Mhatre looked the best with him. He knew how to play second fiddle. He himself is such a daring guy . He took down Bhuvi for 26 runs in one over as a 17 year old id. I dearly love to see Ayush and vaibhav together Ultimate_Game 1
The Realist Posted May 27 Posted May 27 Join DC to open with Rahul and recreate test partnership The Dark Horse, tapandrun and vvvslaxman 1 2
tapandrun Posted May 27 Posted May 27 (edited) Its a sum of multiple things not just 1-2. 1stly - Lets not compare any1 to viabhav/Arya/Abhishek <-- they are at v.diff level. Jaiswal-- So like many he knew from the start of this season he can not match above 3 guys and so he went hunting for orange cap like many others. He himself went into the shell and there might be some instruction from team as well not to go overly aggressive but he was not able to play a sanju kind of role as well. Looking at his List A record he has sr of 85 telling you that he is not the efficent keeping high sr when he is not trying, so he was not trying to keep high sr and he does not have kolhi/rohits games to push the ball in boundaries effortlessly and keep scoring without much risk. Both kolhi and Rohit and similar batters know how to play safe but with higher sr in t20s in pp. They are able to hit the gaps and play over in the inner ring, which Jaiswal didnt do playing over inner ring is imp. as bowling sides now ties batter down if they do not do that ex. babar. The other issue with him is that the bat comes at angle when he is trying to lift the ball so to cross the boundaries he has to put lot of effort than timing, can hear a tinny sound when he hits in the air. He needs to learn from Prab/sanju.. etc that he can also go shot for shot and yet score without losing the wkt. This is where wk opening batter is useful, they have all the license to go after each ball , if he can not do it then he might never have a place in Ind side. or even in ipl sides too other teams have player like allen/arya/mahtre/abhishek etc... some post suggest he is getting bog down by vhaibhav stoke making there are multiple such players and more will come. if jaiswal gets demoralized or bog down than he may have to find team which are playing kl/rahane/rutu/gill etc Edited May 27 by tapandrun Tillu 1
Lord Posted May 27 Posted May 27 2 hours ago, Gollum said: Vaibhav's batting has demoralized him. Can't play well under his shadow. I am sure he will do better with some other opener. This kid is a freak, even Kohli, Rohit, peak Sachin would feel intimidated in his presence. if anything Vaibhav should free him up, there's no pressure on him to score fast. Its like Sachin Ganguly in 90s. Ganguly benefitted from all eyes being on Sachin Tillu and tapandrun 2
vvvslaxman Posted May 27 Posted May 27 5 minutes ago, Lord said: if anything Vaibhav should free him up, there's no pressure on him to score fast. Its like Sachin Ganguly in 90s. Ganguly benefitted from all eyes being on Sachin Jaiswal's career is being diminished right infront of his eyes :) That is the thing. This guy was part of world cup T20 squad, 2024. Three players retired. SOmehow he found himself out of the squad. He played briefly in T20Is. His record is not that bad. Then GIll was brought in ahead of Jaiswal. Gill left out, Kishan back in the set up. No room at the top. It is already a long queue. Now you see priyansh, vaibhav making merry at the top. He may never play T20I for India again. If Gill can't find a place , Jaiswal is not going to find either. He has gone way down the pecking order like Pant. So he probably is in a confused state of mind. I mean if he releases himself so many teams will fight for him as he is still a pedigree player. But with vaibhav he is not quiet himself. nevada 1
Lord Posted May 27 Posted May 27 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: Jaiswal's career is being diminished right infront of his eyes :) That is the thing. This guy was part of world cup T20 squad, 2024. Three players retired. SOmehow he found himself out of the squad. He played briefly in T20Is. His record is not that bad. Then GIll was brought in ahead of Jaiswal. Gill left out, Kishan back in the set up. No room at the top. It is already a long queue. Now you see priyansh, vaibhav making merry at the top. He may never play T20I for India again. If Gill can't find a place , Jaiswal is not going to find either. He has gone way down the pecking order like Pant. So he probably is in a confused state of mind. I mean if he releases himself so many teams will fight for him as he is still a pedigree player. But with vaibhav he is not quiet himself. He should just play Tests. Nothings wrong in it
Suhaan Posted May 28 Posted May 28 (edited) Jaiswal is a top quality test player with terrific ODI potential.Too much criticism isn't right,he will be one of a kind. It's guys like Rohit whom I won't fault rather,I blame the selectors who are persisting with him and denying a talent like Jaiswal. While Vaibhav has his own flair,we have had openers in the past with contrasting batting abilities, and it still didn't affect the subordinate partner Edited May 28 by Suhaan BacktoCricaddict 1
test fan Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Saving his best for big final. No worry BacktoCricaddict and nevada 2
Bigg Brother Posted May 28 Posted May 28 One bad season is expected. And it isn't that he had horrible season. Rohit survived all these years without having single spectacular season with bat. vvvslaxman 1
Gollum Posted May 28 Posted May 28 See this in chess as well where every 6 months a wunderkind emerges. And the earlier batch of prodigies start playing unnaturally and drop rating points, maybe because of self-imposed pressure....few months ago they were the centre show and suddenly some new kid coming to the limelight. Firouzja (still the youngest to 2800, and rightful heir to Magnus for many fans) suffered because of this, when Gukesh/Pragg emerged, we say the same with the Uzbeks (same age as Indians but developed a bit slower), Vincent, and now Erdogmus and Faustino Oro. Everyone out of fashion in no time, and a fluid elite category, dominated by teenagers and early 20 yos, forming instead of a hard-to-breach top 10 of slightly older men, say which was the norm for most of chess history. Carlsen is enjoying at the top because of this, when he emerged like this, he didn't face this psychological problem. Jasiwal has the same problem. Before the emergence of Sooryavanshi, he was the apple of everyone's eye, the boy prophesied to lead Indian batting charts and take the mantle with the lineage of Gavaskar, Tendulkar, and Kohli. Gill was in a similar position, he too got affected by Jaswal's rise tbh. But this 15 yo kid has taken it to another level, he is so good that people aren't even registering Jaiswal, Gill types who themselves have the stuff to become ATGs. Being his opening partner has compounded issues for Jaiswal, maybe an identity crisis, trying to do something beyond his ability/skillset, inferiority complex setting in. Natural only because he is human, can only hide his vulnerabilities. BacktoCricaddict and Tillu 2
nevada Posted May 28 Posted May 28 8 hours ago, Gollum said: Vaibhav's batting has demoralized him. Can't play well under his shadow. I am sure he will do better with some other opener. This kid is a freak, even Kohli, Rohit, peak Sachin would feel intimidated in his presence. I feel the same! Plus Jaiswal was already demoralised by not becoming a regular in LOI cricket. Gollum 1
Gollum Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Spain and Argentina (also Spanish speaking) had a roster of world class clay specialists in early to mid 2000s. Specialization was the word back then, unlike surface homogenization that started happening later. Gaston Gaudio, Coria, Ferrero, Puerta all in early to mid 20s, each of them tipped to win multiple RGs. Then a 15/16 yo Nadal came and started beating these guys, and all of them disappeared by 2005-06, some even retired early. Coria himself was one of the finest prodigies in the sport, he choked in 2004 RG final against Gaudio (after winning first two sets, 6-0, 6-3) but was only 21 yo then, and people thought he would bounce back. Then he lost against 18 yo Nadal in 2005 Rome final, one of the greatest ever clay matches of all time, and fell off the radar completely. A match many feel he should have won but Nadal's determination prevailed. By 2006 when he was 23-24, Coria was out of top 100 and a forgotten guy now. In a Nadal-free world he would have won at least 5 RGs I am sure, his game was built for that surface. Prime example of one prodigy unable to deal with the rise of another one, a significantly stronger one. PS: Coria lost 3 finals to Nadal in 2005, another famous one being Monte Carlo Masters 1000 where he was defending champion. Look at the quality of that epic final from these highlights, you can judge Coria's level.
Gollum Posted May 28 Posted May 28 7 hours ago, Lord said: if anything Vaibhav should free him up, there's no pressure on him to score fast. Its like Sachin Ganguly in 90s. Ganguly benefitted from all eyes being on Sachin Different psychology. Sachin was senior to Ganguly, more established, regarded as a great by then. Ganguly could focus just on his batting. Here Jaiswal was the prince that was promised, the raja beta of the house. Suddenly a 15 yo has taken that spot, and Jaiswal himself knows he can't match the kid's ceiling, levels apart.
Lone Wolf Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Jaiswal was never a gun T20 batter like Gill is.. but that being said he is not a 100-120 S/R better either. So he is probably is lacking confidence atm and getting dropped from ODI format will sting Selectors should really take a call on unfit middle aged man Rohit counting age fraud years he might be in his early 40's. It is shameful that we are still selecting this guy in this day and age when batting talent in India for limited overs cricket is overflowing. nevada and Gollum 1 1
Nikhil_cric Posted May 28 Posted May 28 He's not a gun talent like some of the others we have produced. The best we have seen from him is probably him already maxing his ability. . Needs to focus on Test cricket discipline. Lord 1
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