jalebi_bhai Posted September 2, 2014 Posted September 2, 2014 Secularism is to politics what spirit of the game is to cricket.......a silly term, thrown around to take the moral high ground......
surajmal Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 I don't give much credit to Advani but coining the term "pseudo secularism" was a masterstroke. 20 odd years later secularism has almost become a bad word. Soon it will be a cuss word.
Muloghonto Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 I don't give much credit to Advani but coining the term "pseudo secularism" was a masterstroke. 20 odd years later secularism has almost become a bad word. Soon it will be a cuss word. And why is that a good thing ? Your God is better than their God ? :haha:
Muloghonto Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Secularism is to politics what spirit of the game is to cricket.......a silly term' date=' thrown around to take the moral high ground......[/quote'] Err no, secularism is what keeps western societies light years ahead of India. Secularism is the seperation of religion and politics. And unless you are just a hindu fundamentalist like Surajmal, there is no justification for mixing hindu ideology with politics.
jalebi_bhai Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Err no' date=' secularism is what keeps western societies light years ahead of India. [b']Secularism is the seperation of religion and politics. And unless you are just a hindu fundamentalist like Surajmal, there is no justification for mixing hindu ideology with politics. I know what the term secular means........all I'm tying to say is that the term is bandied about in politics very much like how the Poms like to throw about the 'spirit of cricket' non-sense.......just to get the moral high ground...... Oh btw......do you consider the US to be secular? A lot of their right wing leaders claim that the Yoonited States of 'Murica is a Christian nation......
velu Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Dont take DMKs views seriously .. Even though they claim they are atheists , there are many guys from Chennai/tanjore who told me that DMK/karuna family members visit temples like others. But karuna is a big troll who regularly make fun abt hindu gods and festivals. But i dont think DMK will say anything against jesus or allah :phehehe:
coffee_rules Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Err no' date=' secularism is what keeps western societies light years ahead of India. Secularism is the seperation of religion and politics. And unless you are just a hindu fundamentalist like Surajmal, there is no justification for mixing hindu ideology with politics.[/quote'] Then even USA/UK is not light years ahead in keeping religion out of politics. The amount of influence of the church has in local/civic government is immense, they are given NPO status, tax reliefs, church goers are respected in politics esp congressmen and presidents, etc. RvW plays a very important role in the appointment of SC judges even now in USA. There no communal riots, that's all! But, race plays a big part in governance. Whites getting preferential treatment in Law is very well documented.
FischerTal Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Then even USA/UK is not light years ahead in keeping religion out of politics. The amount of influence of the church has in local/civic government is immense, they are given NPO status, tax reliefs, church goers are respected in politics esp congressmen and presidents, etc. RvW plays a very important role in the appointment of SC judges even now in USA. There no communal riots, that's all! But, race plays a big part in governance. Whites getting preferential treatment in Law is very well documented. I think he's talking about the Scandinavian countries and Western Europe.
surajmal Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 And why is that a good thing ? Your God is better than their God ? :haha: "god"? Not familiar with the term.
panther Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 I think he's talking about the Scandinavian countries and Western Europe. Scandinavians will be extinct soon if they carry on in their enlightened ways.
Yoda-esque Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 "god"? Not familiar with the term. Great answer
Detonator Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Well said. I am anti-halal. Its stupid to assume that a creature feeling less pain during death is less stressed at death or suffering less due to the absence of pain. If i don't wanna die and you are going to kill me anyways, isn't it making me suffer more by making me die slower ? Forget about pain, we are not going to simply sit there thinking only of the pain. An animal can be equally duressed and under extreme emotional trouble if it realizes it is dying anyways. To assume that an animal is not cognizant of it dying ( oh no ! i feel faint, lets go to sleep!) is to assume too much about animals that we simply do not know. It may be true for cows or sheep, but if you are trying to tell me that to 'halal' a chimpanzee is less barbaric than to shoot it, its basically saing its less cruel to kill people slowly than to shoot them. Thats twisted! :two_thumbs_up: Actually I don't know abt this method until I saw a beheading video years ago. They exactly do the same to animals.
Detonator Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Err no' date=' secularism is what keeps western societies light years ahead of India. Secularism is the seperation of religion and politics. And unless you are just a hindu fundamentalist like Surajmal, there is no justification for mixing hindu ideology with politics.[/quote'] The problem not with being a secularist, but what's done in the name of secularism. For congress or DMK, it's a moral high ground before and now, it's an irrational hatred since they have nothing to show.
rkt.india Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Err no' date=' secularism is what keeps western societies light years ahead of India. Secularism is the seperation of religion and politics. And unless you are just a hindu fundamentalist like Surajmal, there is no justification for mixing hindu ideology with politics.[/quote'] But that definition does not apply in India. Here secularism means giving preferential treatment to one particular community.
diga Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 On NDTV with @BDUTT , Narayan Murthy says,he is amused at the amt of noise on secularism when a greater threat such as casteism is ignored
Khalpat Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Yup watched that, he also praised Shashi Tharoor for getting PHD at 22 year of age. Seemed like he was pushing Tharoor to join BJP.
Crookbond Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 But that definition does not apply in India. Here secularism means giving preferential treatment to one particular community. and when people display real secularism they are also clubbed with the 'seculars'. It is become a kind of takia kalaam for online debate points.
coffee_rules Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 and when people display real secularism they are also clubbed with the 'seculars'. It is become a kind of takia kalaam for online debate points. The reverse works as well. Any anti-"secular" voice is considered to be a torch-bearer of chaddis!
Crookbond Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 The reverse works as well. Any anti-"secular" voice is considered to be a torch-bearer of chaddis! Ok. Can we stop labeling people?
rkt.india Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 and when people display real secularism they are also clubbed with the 'seculars'. It is become a kind of takia kalaam for online debate points. The reverse works as well. Any anti-"secular" voice is considered to be a torch-bearer of chaddis! Both true.
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