Punch line of WC'16 - "Silencing the Indian crowd"

[zen]

We don't even support the other team on match threads (4s hit by Ind = great, 4s hit by other team = runs leaked) so why complain about the crowds at the stadium

 

[Adi_91]

I am pretty surprised that the crowd behaved the way they did.

 

The more sportive we are, the more respect we will get from the world. This is what happens when we start to be overconfident about our team. Yes, they are a good side, but definitely not unbeatable.

 

This tournament has only shown that any side can be beaten on a bad day. We should acknowledge our achievement and also the opposition's. They beat us in our own backyard and it is a great achievement. Worthy of an ovation. 

[Forever Indian]

1 hour ago, philcric said:

I don't think it's a big deal. T20 games move very fast. Even the spectators are under considerable stress as each ball/over is like an event. It's very difficult to applaud the opposition during the game because they are so invested in their home team. I'm sure after the game, after the loss sinks in, they'd have no problem in appreciating the opposition.

 

As long as the spectators don't abuse the opposition players or create nuisance and stop the game, it's all fine.

 

The crowds for the games not involving India were pretty decent (in numbers) in this WC. So you can't say Indian spectators are only interested in India's wins and do not appreciate cricketers of other countries.

 

Exactly, the crowd support that Gayle and ABD got in their matches would not be matched even by their home spectators...

I think as long as the crowd appreciated milestones like 50's, etc.. it's fine. You can't expect the home team to cheer for opposition's boundaries when your team is losing.

[maniac]

1 hour ago, rett said:

We don't even support the other team on match threads (4s hit by Ind = great, 4s hit by other team = runs leaked) so why complain about the crowds at the stadium

 

 I guess everyone appreciated mohd Amir spell in Asia cup or Russell's hitting yesterday.

 

its a home crowd why should they cheer for the opposition?

 

you get the feeling that England aus sa are sporting because the crowds are usually a mix of locals and expats

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

 I guess everyone appreciated mohd Amir spell in Asia cup or Russell's hitting yesterday.

 

its a home crowd why should they cheer for the opposition?

 

you get the feeling that England aus sa are sporting because the crowds are usually a mix of locals and expats

There was no need for Russel to mock the crowd after Rahanes catch. That was if not disgraceful, atleast uncalled for. If anything crowd has behaved very well. Nowhere in world, in any game, you get spared for mocking crowd.

[Number]

Why should we be like English oldies clapping on ducks ?

As long as they are not violent its fine. 

[Laaloo]

21 minutes ago, mishra said:

There was no need for Russel to mock the crowd after Rahanes catch. That was if not disgraceful, atleast uncalled for. If anything crowd has behaved very well. Nowhere in world, in any game, you get spared for mocking crowd.

I thought that was Bravo?

[bowl_out]

5 hours ago, chewy said:

I felt the mumbai crowd was poor yesterday, it is understandable it is semi-final of game.

 

But when things got tight and started going wrong, everyone went into prayer mode (silence), instead of trying to cheer India to the last ball or applauding WI fours & sixes.

 

South Africa fans have been brilliant in that sense, give their full backing to SA even when the game is more or less lost. 

Mumbai crowd is generally poor and tasteless most of the time.. Seen a lot of it in the past...

 

The monkeygate incident with crowd jeering Symonds...

I remember even watching Test matches in Wankhede where Dhoni's and Kohli's dismissals were cheered because the crowd was hoping for India to follow on and see Sachin bat again..

Many more such instances

[MechEng]

3 hours ago, Soorma_Bhopali said:

Crowd for Test matches in England is different ..

 

Their football crowd treats league derbies like Arsenal Vs. Tottenham as Do-or-die and equally non-sporting ..going to the extent of letting other side know that they would kill rather than lose the derbie ..So , all this cultural thing is bogus..the passionate working class crowd in England does not come for test matches or cricket 

 

 

This.

[MechEng]

Andy Roberts recalled 1975 series when he was playing the Boxing Day test, West Indies were batting and the crowd was like - "Lillee!, Lillee!, kill !, kill !, kill !"

 

 

Edited April 1, 2016 by MechEng

[vijay50]

Bhai, When you spend around 20,000 rs take a whole family for entertainment, hoping that Indian team would win, but rather end up seeing them as losers, with the kids pestering why the Indian team is losing, its hard to support the opposition team and cheer for them.

 

Bottomline, people spend significant money to go and see these matches to see home team win and get their moneys worth, not praise the opposition.

 

Commentators and online trolls always complains, but who cares.

[YCCC]

1 hour ago, MechEng said:

 

 

This.

I regard myself as "working class", as are most people in Yorkshire. However I do see your point. Not too many manual labourers are cricket fans here, most cricket fans are in white collar office jobs. 

 

As a side note, cricket is in fact more affordable to watch for the working class than football, which is an absolute rip off in comparison. £10 to watch Yorkshire in the CC or 50 overs, a full day's entertainment, £30 at least to watch Leeds United in the second division of English football for two hours "entertainment" (if you find watching Leeds United entertaining).

 

Even the cheapest Test match tickets at Headingley are £30, again for a full day's entertainment compared to a two hour football match

Edited April 1, 2016 by YCCC

[Lannister]

2 hours ago, Number said:

Why should we be like English oldies clapping on ducks ?

As long as they are not violent its fine. 

 

Better to stay quiet than booing opposition players. The way Jadeja got heckled by their fans was pretty disgraceful.  

[Balkan]

I think there is a cultural difference at work on this topic. 

 

"Silence the crowd" to me, an English person, isn't about the crowd; it's about winning. 

 

I think everyone recognises the home team has an advantage in all sport? In England (and probably other places) it is a common belief that where the pitch or conditions don't matter - essentially every other sport but cricket - the reason the home team wins more is the support and pressure the crowd can put on the away team. That's why football fans cheer, clap and chant for their teams so vociferously. They actively want to make the atmosphere hostile. Same in other sports. 

 

Thus away sport's teams come out with the expressed intention of putting max effort in early in a game/half/innings. But obviously you can't sustain that intensity over a whole match. 

 

The belief is, if you "silence the crowd" early your job will be easier later when the match is decided. And you make an effort to do so. 

 

It's not an India-fans thing or about the way you support your teams. In fact a lot of us are jealous of the colour and noise in Indian grounds. That, I believe, is what Nasser was talking about. 

 

I've experienced Indian cricket recently in part thanks to people here and hope to do so again. 

 

**Full disclosure, I'm an England fan. 
Been following the tournament on here because I have been in a part of the world where I couldn't watch for a few weeks and Internet was expensive. This site doesn't have a lot of GB eating graphics like Cricinfo or the BBC, but does have a lot of cricket knowledge so has been ideal. 

 

Hope that's not a too unreasonable opinion.  Still trying to feel my way in to Indian cricket culture.**

 

[YCCC]

9 minutes ago, Balkan said:

I think there is a cultural difference at work on this topic. 

 

"Silence the crowd" to me, an English person, isn't about the crowd; it's about winning. 

 

I think everyone recognises the home team has an advantage in all sport? In England (and probably other places) it is a common belief that where the pitch or conditions don't matter - essentially every other sport but cricket - the reason the home team wins more is the support and pressure the crowd can put on the away team. That's why football fans cheer, clap and chant for their teams so vociferously. They actively want to make the atmosphere hostile. Same in other sports. 

 

Thus away sport's teams come out with the expressed intention of putting max effort in early in a game/half/innings. But obviously you can't sustain that intensity over a whole match. 

 

The belief is, if you "silence the crowd" early your job will be easier later when the match is decided. And you make an effort to do so. 

 

It's not an India-fans thing or about the way you support your teams. In fact a lot of us are jealous of the colour and noise in Indian grounds. That, I believe, is what Nasser was talking about. 

 

I've experienced Indian cricket recently in part thanks to people here and hope to do so again. 

 

**Full disclosure, I'm an England fan. 
Been following the tournament on here because I have been in a part of the world where I couldn't watch for a few weeks and Internet was expensive. This site doesn't have a lot of GB eating graphics like Cricinfo or the BBC, but does have a lot of cricket knowledge so has been ideal. 

 

Hope that's not a too unreasonable opinion.  Still trying to feel my way in to Indian cricket culture.**

 

Another one! Good evening sir. Agree I've enjoyed following the tournament on here too. It's a great site with very knowledgeable posters. Wish we had a similar site for English cricket. The Barmy Army have a forum but it's very quiet compared to this site

 

[zen]

19 minutes ago, Balkan said:

I think there is a cultural difference at work on this topic. 

 

"Silence the crowd" to me, an English person, isn't about the crowd; it's about winning. 

 

I think everyone recognises the home team has an advantage in all sport? In England (and probably other places) it is a common belief that where the pitch or conditions don't matter - essentially every other sport but cricket - the reason the home team wins more is the support and pressure the crowd can put on the away team. That's why football fans cheer, clap and chant for their teams so vociferously. They actively want to make the atmosphere hostile. Same in other sports. 

 

Thus away sport's teams come out with the expressed intention of putting max effort in early in a game/half/innings. But obviously you can't sustain that intensity over a whole match. 

 

The belief is, if you "silence the crowd" early your job will be easier later when the match is decided. And you make an effort to do so. 

Hope that's not a too unreasonable opinion.  Still trying to feel my way in to Indian cricket culture.**

 

Some good points there but IMO  "silence the (Ind) crowd" is based on the theory that when the crowd is silent the visiting  team is doing well. Therefore to get vindication about your good performance, the visiting team has to "silence the crowd" .... Silencing the crowd has thus become a metaphor for doing well vs the home team

Edited April 1, 2016 by rett

[Balkan]

33 minutes ago, rett said:

Some good points there but IMO  "silence the (Ind) crowd" is based on the theory that when the crowd is silent the visiting  team is doing well. Therefore to do well and to vindicate that,the visiting team has to "silence the crowd" .... Silencing the crowd has thus become a metaphor for doing well vs the home team

 

Agreed. Makes sense when you get a new, foreign perspective. 

 

However I believe and have grown up with the understanding that "silencing the crowd" is the ABC of how an away team goes about winning - and it would be remiss of an ex-England captain not to mention such a basic tactic in English sport. To us it's as elementary as "[Bowling team] will want to do well with the new ball..." in Test matches: ie just something you say. 

 

Of course if the bowling team 'do well' the batting team is doing badly. 

 

The reverse is also true. The home team here tries to lift the intensity early to get the crowd on the opposition's back. 

 

It's not about India or Indians - except for the fact they are currently at home in this particular tournament.

 

I'd expect an English commentator to make similar comments about some bottom of Div 2 County game, say, Leicestershire v Derbyshire or whatever. 

 

I'm pretty sure Nasser or an Aussie would be shocked their comments could or have been taken any other way. 

Edited April 1, 2016 by Balkan

[Balkan]

2 hours ago, YCCC said:

I regard myself as "working class", as are most people in Yorkshire. However I do see your point. Not too many manual labourers are cricket fans here, most cricket fans are in white collar office jobs. 

 

As a side note, cricket is in fact more affordable to watch for the working class than football, which is an absolute rip off in comparison. £10 to watch Yorkshire in the CC or 50 overs, a full day's entertainment, £30 at least to watch Leeds United in the second division of English football for two hours "entertainment" (if you find watching Leeds United entertaining).

 

Even the cheapest Test match tickets at Headingley are £30, again for a full day's entertainment compared to a two hour football match

Got home the day before yesterday so maybe missed early ticket sales.

 

Couldn't find 2 seats together for a Test or ODI in London this summer v Pak or SRL for under 5900R. 

 

Will watch Surrey a bit though and hopefully catch some international cricket up north. 

[YCCC]

Yes I've heard Test match tickets down in "that there London" are pricey! I bought tickets for Sri Lanka at Headingley at £30 each and for Pakistan at Old Trafford for £40 each. Not cheap but I would consider it value for money for a full day's cricket

Edited April 1, 2016 by YCCC

[Balkan]

1 hour ago, YCCC said:

Another one! Good evening sir. Agree I've enjoyed following the tournament on here too. It's a great site with very knowledgeable posters. Wish we had a similar site for English cricket. The Barmy Army have a forum but it's very quiet compared to this site

 

Missed this. 

 

Good evening sir also. 

 

I'm Lancs by birth so I look forward to you disowning me.