Dhoni's Honest Analysis of how over the years his power game has gone down

[Bleed-Blue]

21 minutes ago, tweaker said:

Selectors have kept the squad unchanged for the next 2 odi

Raina has been dropped

[sandeep]

21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Just felt this hate has gone to over the board with him like too muchh...

 

Most if not all Indian fans know and appreciate Dhoni's qualities.  And are clear-eyed about his short-comings.  As if all other players are perfect.  Even our best ODI bat has his limitations.  But we celebrate his strengths because he gets the job done with his composite skill-set.  Problem for Dhoni is that he was a very different player early on, so the decline is hard to accept for some.  

 

For a bitter few, ALL the issues with the Indian team in the last few years are to be blamed on him because he was this all-seeing, all-controlling omnipotent skipper.  Most are not that silly though.  Its just the noxious farts of a couple of posters polluting the atmosphere...

[Yoda-esque]

Definitely detect a loss of confidence from MSD .

He kept changing bats and helmets,signs that he is looking for external factors to boost his confidence.

This innings was by no means a statement, but rather an innings of self-conviction.

 

I suppose he will retire by next year,don't see any reason for him to keep continuing since the WC is still a few years out.

 

 

[maniac]

Well it is commendable if a young cricketer does a honest analysis of what he is lacking but an over the hill player talking about his flaws means he needs to take a hint as to when to retire.

 

Anyways good knock by him yesterday.....He did his job....played a brisk knock without stupid strategies of taking it to the last ball,Tuk Tuking part timers etc....This is more of the Dhoni we all want to see....but still the odd game at home against a relatively weaker attack...but I don't think he will be useful against tougher attacks in tougher conditions...time to call it a day before he loses respect as a ODI player too....Dhoni is India's best wk-bat of all time...a real gem but by the time he retired everyone said Good riddance rather than a legend ha sretired...don't want his ODI career to go the same route.

[velu]

Well it is commendable if a young cricketer does a honest analysis of what he is lacking but an over the hill player talking about his flaws means he needs to take a hint as to when to retire.

 

Anyways good knock by him yesterday.....He did his job....played a brisk knock without stupid strategies of taking it to the last ball,Tuk Tuking part timers etc....This is more of the Dhoni we all want to see....but still the odd game at home against a relatively weaker attack...but I don't think he will be useful against tougher attacks in tougher conditions...time to call it a day before he loses respect as a ODI player too....Dhoni is India's best wk-bat of all time...a real gem but by the time he retired everyone said Good riddance rather than a legend ha sretired...don't want his ODI career to go the same route.

Lets hope Rohit will also do some honest analysis about himself soon in the press conference [emoji3]

[sandeep]

32 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

This isn't honesty. It's a gambit.

And your opinion is not BS because of what facts exactly?  

[sandeep]

4 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Because I base it on action, not conveniently 'honest' confessions after a half decent innings.

Care to state specifics that contradict what Dhoni has said?  Pathetic accusations based on innuendos don't count.  

[NameGoesHere]

Well I am writing this, since the thread has moved from a specific - Dhini's power game- to the general, Dhoni's contribution at a macro level.  I have said this earlier, but not in the declining arc of Dhoni's career, so may as well say it here- for what it is worth (nothing, I'd warrant).

 

Dhoni is a leader in the classical sense of that term- he had the right stuff that could take a team beyond SRT/ Dravid/ Ganguly with few hiccups, he had the capacity to absorb incredible pressure and deliver. I think our criticism should acknowledge these facts.

 

Few of those who criticise him have remotely been in his position, even if we assume this includes the comparatively minor pressure of handling a last-minute changed deliverable at work. But that's how it goes.  We are a passionate, unreasoning people.

 

Dhoni is a better leader than all of us who are commenting here with such abandon.  Fellows, I say this with humility being an incompetent myself, get a sense of your own competence before you start taking off on him.  You may find yourself unable to live in his shoes for five seconds.

 

 

 

[maniac]

13 minutes ago, NameGoesHere said:

Well I am writing this, since the thread has moved from a specific - Dhini's power game- to the general, Dhoni's contribution at a macro level.  I have said this earlier, but not in the declining arc of Dhoni's career, so may as well say it here- for what it is worth (nothing, I'd warrant).

 

Dhoni is a leader in the classical sense of that term- he had the right stuff that could take a team beyond SRT/ Dravid/ Ganguly with few hiccups, he had the capacity to absorb incredible pressure and deliver. I think our criticism should acknowledge these facts.

 

Few of those who criticise him have remotely been in his position, even if we assume this includes the comparatively minor pressure of handling a last-minute changed deliverable at work. But that's how it goes.  We are a passionate, unreasoning people.

 

Dhoni is a better leader than all of us who are commenting here with such abandon.  Fellows, I say this with humility being an incompetent myself, get a sense of your own competence before you start taking off on him.  You may find yourself unable to live in his shoes for five seconds.

 

 

 

By the same logic,we have no right to criticise Dinda,Vinay Kumar etc either as they have achieved a lot more than any of us on this forum.

[sandeep]

2 minutes ago, NameGoesHere said:

Well I am writing this, since the thread has moved from a specific - Dhini's power game- to the general, Dhoni's contribution at a macro level.  I have said this earlier, but not in the declining arc of Dhoni's career, so may as well say it here- for what it is worth (nothing, I'd warrant).

 

Dhoni is a leader in the classical sense of that term- he had the right stuff that could take a team beyond SRT/ Dravid/ Ganguly with few hiccups, he had the capacity to absorb incredible pressure and deliver. I think our criticism should acknowledge these facts.

 

Few of those who criticise him have remotely been in his position, even if we assume this includes the comparatively minor pressure of handling a last-minute changed deliverable at work. But that's how it goes.  We are a passionate, unreasoning people.

 

Dhoni is a better leader than all of us who are commenting here with such abandon.  Fellows, I say this with humility being an incompetent myself, get a sense of your own competence before you start taking off on him.  You may find yourself unable to live in his shoes for five seconds.

 

 

 

Well said.  I have no issues with genuine critiques of Dhoni's batting, his captaincy, his tactical choices - he has made plenty of errors along the way.  I will never forget Dhoni's indefensible promotion of Jadeja over an in their primes Yuvi and Yusuf in that T20 WC chase against England.  And I hold him responsible for our timid batting strategy that I believe is holding our team back from being genuine contenders for the next WC.  His Test captaincy has been average or sub-par plenty of times.  

 

But there's a difference in objective, clear-eyed criticism, and senseless venting and emotional bashing.  Now on cue, that NG idiot will post another diabtribe about how he feels his Dhoni-bashing is "in revenge" for Tendy bashing or some such nonsense.  

[maniac]

So if Dhoni is so honest in his analysis...why is he still hanging around the T20 Squad,where power hitting is required?

 

Looks like he was self-aware about al his F ups in recent times so one good innings and he comes with such statements......at least he is smart enough not to show any fake bravado here.

 

Anyways keeping 2019 in mind and also 2020 when the next Wt20 will be held....Time to look beyond Dhoni.....As much as his fanboys want to see Dhoni play till the end of time...he does not have it in him to last for 4-5 years.

 

Champions Trophy should be his swan song considering there won't be as much pain as losing that one compared to the world cups.

[sandeep]

Just now, maniac said:

So if Dhoni is so honest in his analysis...why is he still hanging around the T20 Squad,where power hitting is required?

 

Looks like he was self-aware about al his F ups in recent times so one good innings and he comes with such statements......at least he is smart enough not to show any fake bravado here.

 

Anyways keeping 2019 in mind and also 2020 when the next Wt20 will be held....Time to look beyond Dhoni.....As much as his fanboys want to see Dhoni play till the end of time...he does not have it in him to last for 4-5 years.

 

Champions Trophy should be his swan song considering there won't be as much pain as losing that one compared to the world cups.

I agree with the T20 point.  We don't need an accumulator in T20s, and its better for the team to audition/groom his replacement in T20s sooner rather than later.   I'm really hoping Samson puts up big numbers with bat and gloves this IPL.  

 

 

[Lannister]

He can stick it up his honest analysis where the sun doesn't shine. The time for such self-assessments is already past for him. Yuvraj Singh, who won us both the World cups, didn't get such chances. Why is he expecting a special treatment for himself? 

[gattaca]

5 minutes ago, Lannister said:

He can stick it up his honest analysis where the sun doesn't shine. The time for such self-assessments is already past for him. Yuvraj Singh, who won us both the World cups, didn't get such chances. Why is he expecting a special treatment for himself? 

What ? Yuvraj screwed up t20 final still got chances but he never seemed to have grabbed his chances.

[velu]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

He can stick it up his honest analysis where the sun doesn't shine. The time for such self-assessments is already past for him. Yuvraj Singh, who won us both the World cups, didn't get such chances. Why is he expecting a special treatment for himself? 

look who is back

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Lannister said:

He can stick it up his honest analysis where the sun doesn't shine. The time for such self-assessments is already past for him. Yuvraj Singh, who won us both the World cups, didn't get such chances. Why is he expecting a special treatment for himself? 

Yuvraj singh avg 4.75 in Ind-aus series yet he played 2 series after. So check ur stats

Dont let me get started with the number of catches he dropped every series

In past 4 yrs yuvi avg 19 and dhoni's avg wud easily be 40+

 

Go n complain to franchise like DD n RCB who also threw yuvraj singh after 1st yr only. 

And btw about chances go pick both their perfomance by every year and see the diff. Ull find 4-5 good yrs in yuvi's career and one bad yr in dhoni's career.

 

[velu]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yuvraj singh avg 4.75 in Ind-aus series yet he played 2 series after. So check ur stats

Dont let me get started with the number of catches he dropped every series

In past 4 yrs yuvi avg 19 and dhoni's avg wud easily be 40+

 

Go n complain to franchise like DD n RCB who also threw yuvraj singh after 1st yr only. 

And btw about chances go pick both their perfomance by every year and see the diff. Ull find 4-5 good yrs in yuvi's career and one bad yr in dhoni's career.

 

you are replying to a troll or a blind hater

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, velu said:

you are replying to a troll or a blind hater

To all blind haters who have similar thought process........this stays for similar idiots who are gonna come up with that crap in future. 

[Lannister]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yuvraj singh avg 4.75 in Ind-aus series yet he played 2 series after. So check ur stats

Dont let me get started with the number of catches he dropped every series

In past 4 yrs yuvi avg 19 and dhoni's avg wud easily be 40+

 

Go n complain to franchise like DD n RCB who also threw yuvraj singh after 1st yr only. 

And btw about chances go pick both their perfomance by every year and see the diff. Ull find 4-5 good yrs in yuvi's career and one bad yr in dhoni's career.

 

We have lost something like 14 matches under Dhoni in the last 2 years and this is how his stats read. Average of 27 with a strike rate of 78. This must be the lowest of all if we compare with all other players who bats at the similar position. Don't be a blind fool like other trolls we see over here. 

[G_B_]

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I am afraid MSD may have lost us this game with the bat....