Yoda-esque Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 lol .. pakistan ka friends with benefit partner china will go for a toss if usa put import bans on chinese products.. anyway US is still a military superpower .. they can bomb pakistan to stone age in days time .. but US wont do it because pakistan is just few months advanced than stone age Last line gattaca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 2 hours ago, velu said: lol .. pakistan ka friends with benefit partner china will go for a toss if usa put import bans on chinese products.. anyway US is still a military superpower .. they can bomb pakistan to stone age in days time .. but US wont do it because pakistan is just few months advanced than stone age Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 2 hours ago, velu said: lol .. pakistan ka friends with benefit partner china will go for a toss if usa put import bans on chinese products.. anyway US is still a military superpower .. they can bomb pakistan to stone age in days time .. but US wont do it because pakistan is just few months advanced than stone age few months ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Reminds me of this scene https://youtu.be/B1qoyAYPJK0 Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Utter frustration from Pakistani. And their relation with Russia.LOL.I just cant stop laughing.One military exercise together and they are Russian allies.My My.Their delusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 13 hours ago, Asim said: but Im not good at angrezi like peeple from civalyzd cuntries such as ind, usa, uk na We know. You are good at allahu akbar though. We also know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 6 hours ago, Tibarn said: Tales of the American decline have been greatly exaggerated. While its relative power has declined over the last decade, that is mostly because other countries have gotten stronger, the US didn't get weaker. It's absolute power is the same or greater than before. Let them hitch their wagon to a true declining power like Russia, or an economy with a glass ceiling like China. The American umbrella is not something you want to step out from under. They are weaker than they were. US economy was far more robust in the 80s-Bill Clinton Years than it is now. But they are quite easily the absolute #1 economic, military & strategic power in the world, with China a very distant second. However, I don't see the decline of US economic & world power anytime soon. They are still the leader in scientific paper publication & research grants by a country mile. They own the top 100 best universities in the world category, heck they own the top 1000 if anyone bothers looking. They are the only significant nation (by population- lets be generous and say atleast 100 million people) that breaks the $50K per capita income by nominal GDP value. They are easily, quite easily, the most dominant military in the world. I mean...really, does anyone think America cannot 'choke you to death' inside of 3 months tops, if they wanted to go to war ? Sure, nukes would fly from many if America went to war, but thats not the point. Point is, if everyone put their nukes away and the whole WORLD ganged up on USA, the USA would still probably win inside of 1 year. Tops. Thats how powerful the USA is. Don't mistake lack of American appetite for war with lack of American means for war. They can literally crush PLAAN, PLAAF and PLA inside of 3 weeks to a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Actually, They are stronger and I can see them getting even stronger. Militarily, The now have bases in Africa and Ukraine. Diplomatically post Brexit, UK has no option but to support US more viocally. They have allmost distanced themselves with Pakistan and replaced it with India and Afghanistan. In latin America their irelationship/influence is not worse then it was 20 years back. Worrying bit is Falling influence is in Red China Sea and Middle East. Sauds are NOT as inclined to US as they used to be. But then looking at Saudis Human Rights record and meddling in world affairs, It will NOT take more than one week to declare Sauds a criminal state and attack it. Sauds very well know this. They have opened a diplomatic channel with Iran. This can be classed a very big win for Obam Administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 china is a dying power. As per my estimates, china's population would be 75 cr in 50-60 years. velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 16 hours ago, Muloghonto said: They are weaker than they were. US economy was far more robust in the 80s-Bill Clinton Years than it is now. But they are quite easily the absolute #1 economic, military & strategic power in the world, with China a very distant second. However, I don't see the decline of US economic & world power anytime soon. They are still the leader in scientific paper publication & research grants by a country mile. They own the top 100 best universities in the world category, heck they own the top 1000 if anyone bothers looking. They are the only significant nation (by population- lets be generous and say atleast 100 million people) that breaks the $50K per capita income by nominal GDP value. They are easily, quite easily, the most dominant military in the world. I mean...really, does anyone think America cannot 'choke you to death' inside of 3 months tops, if they wanted to go to war ? Sure, nukes would fly from many if America went to war, but thats not the point. Point is, if everyone put their nukes away and the whole WORLD ganged up on USA, the USA would still probably win inside of 1 year. Tops. Thats how powerful the USA is. Don't mistake lack of American appetite for war with lack of American means for war. They can literally crush PLAAN, PLAAF and PLA inside of 3 weeks to a month. Oh, I definitely agree that their economy isn't what it used to be in terms of growth. Their housing bubble was always going to burst, and it happened, thus contributing to the recession. They have also been continuously declining in lower end manufacturing competitiveness, something they were world leaders in during the 80s. Their manufacturing in now predominantly high-end and high-tech products because, like you mentioned, they are the science/education superpower of the world. It's not a coincidence that the main export market of most of their states is Canada. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct9e1TEW8AEvpio.jpg The exceptions are, of course, states like Texas and California that export a lot of meat and fruit. It's just funny that Sharif mentions Russia, an economy overdependent on oil whose economy has contracted 2 of the past 7 years and also mentions China, which is sitting on its own bubbles and demographic time-bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 10 hours ago, mishra said: Actually, They are stronger and I can see them getting even stronger. Militarily, The now have bases in Africa and Ukraine. Diplomatically post Brexit, UK has no option but to support US more viocally. They have allmost distanced themselves with Pakistan and replaced it with India and Afghanistan. In latin America their irelationship/influence is not worse then it was 20 years back. Worrying bit is Falling influence is in Red China Sea and Middle East. Sauds are NOT as inclined to US as they used to be. But then looking at Saudis Human Rights record and meddling in world affairs, It will NOT take more than one week to declare Sauds a criminal state and attack it. Sauds very well know this. They have opened a diplomatic channel with Iran. This can be classed a very big win for Obam Administration. Militarily the gap has closed. Air forces of China/Russia/India have superior non-stealth air dominance fighters than the US and they are on the verge of incorporating stealth fighters. China and India have both closed the gap a little bit more in the naval power projection capabilities, though the gulf remains huge. Anyways, in today's world, military power takes a distinct backseat to economic power, if one has both. Most influence is wielded via economy,especially in sectors where you don't want war, such as in the persian gulf for eg. US is a slowly declining power at the moment, but it has lost a significant chunk of the 'world's power' pie, mostly due to rise of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 51 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Militarily the gap has closed. Air forces of China/Russia/India have superior non-stealth air dominance fighters than the US and they are on the verge of incorporating stealth fighters. China and India have both closed the gap a little bit more in the naval power projection capabilities, though the gulf remains huge. Anyways, in today's world, military power takes a distinct backseat to economic power, if one has both. Most influence is wielded via economy,especially in sectors where you don't want war, such as in the persian gulf for eg. US is a slowly declining power at the moment, but it has lost a significant chunk of the 'world's power' pie, mostly due to rise of others. You are overestimating Chinese fighters and chinese war equipments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Far from it, US is still the strongest economy on earth. It is the most technologically advanced country in the world with the strongest military. All that needs to be relooked are horrible trade deals and bringing down the debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 8 hours ago, FischerTal said: Far from it, US is still the strongest economy on earth. It is the most technologically advanced country in the world with the strongest military. All that needs to be relooked are horrible trade deals and bringing down the debt. Trump will fix that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 US navy air arm is the second most powerful airforce in the world then u have the marines with around 1000 odd aircrafts its riddiculous. US wasp hele carriers are bigger than other countries air craft carriers. Its just funny when i read stuff like US power is declining. Yeah say that when you get bombarded by a B2 or worse a b52 velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 For instance you know f18 good fighter that US developed and deployed is great numbers..yeah USAF does not use it..not even one. Its entirely ysed by navy and marines.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 US Navy doesnt get much attention, but then again, navies rarely do in the 20th century. Wars are all about missiles and bullets, guns, people, aircraft and tanks and artillery. Atleast thats how people see it. But when it comes to the navy, the US Navy is astoundingly powerful. As in, you could pit the USN against the rest of the world's navies combined and the Americans would win in 1 month, no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) On 10/7/2016 at 2:19 AM, Muloghonto said: They are easily, quite easily, the most dominant military in the world. I mean...really, does anyone think America cannot 'choke you to death' inside of 3 months tops, if they wanted to go to war ? Sure, nukes would fly from many if America went to war, but thats not the point. Point is, if everyone put their nukes away and the whole WORLD ganged up on USA, the USA would still probably win inside of 1 year. Tops. Thats how powerful the USA is. Don't mistake lack of American appetite for war with lack of American means for war. They can literally crush PLAAN, PLAAF and PLA inside of 3 weeks to a month. If by war you mean extra cheese double hamburger gulping contests, then yes. In the 60s and the 70s, the USA was a much stronger nation relatively speaking than it is today. Yet was bogged down in a 10+ year war against the Vietnamese,and had to eventually withdraw. Your claims here are absolutely off the mark. And you can't isolate 'appetite for war' from the fighting. That is like saying I'd be taller than the Qutub Minar if I could line up my intestines. Edited October 10, 2016 by Mariyam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Just now, Mariyam said: If by war you mean extra cheese double hamburger gulping contests, then yes. In the 60s and the 70s, the USA was a much stronger nation relatively speaking than it is today. Yet was bogged down in a 10+ year war against the Vietnamese,and had to eventually withdraw. Your claims here are absolutely off the mark. And you can't isolate 'appetite for war' from the fighting. That is like saying I'd be taller than the Qutub Minar if I could line up my intestines. It depends on what you mean by 'in the 60s and 70s the USA was a much stronger nation relatively speaking than it is today'. If by 'relatively speaking' you mean 'in comparison to other militaries', then it is a bit more nuanced than that: USA was far closer in might the the USSR in 60s and 70s than USA is today to Russia/China (the clear #2 & #3). The gap between USA and UK circa 60s and 70s was also smaller than it is today, but it was still an ocean-sized gap. But compared to rest of the world, yes, USA's gap was bigger back then, though it still matters not, since the gap is so, so huge anyways. Only 'meaningful power' to emerge in the last 25-30 years in this scenario has been China and to a far lesser extent, India. But beyond them, thats it. The Pakistani, Saudis, Turks, Brazilians, Germans- they are all in the same boat, which is a boat that can be sunk in 2-3 weeks by USA. And yes, i think i can isolate 'appetite for war' from fighting. Because appetites can change and a war can present itself that the US population actually deems necessary and must-win. In a long enough timespan, for any nation, such a war is an inevitability. And in such a war, USA is still, pretty much invincible. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 In the 60s and 70s, USA could redraw national boundaries, call the shots on various disputes without going to war and even had a military draft in place. It also had many more dependable allies. Today, conscription in the USA seems highly improbable. Nations left, right and centre ignore US diktaats. The US simply isn't able to project that kind of power anymore. Re: Appetite for war. The war on terror and the subsequent invasion of Iraq were wars that mattered to the American people. It wasn't Libya or Nicaragua. But the outcome hasn't been US control. They quite lost the plot there. Given that they outsource most of the on ground fighting to people they think are expendable, why do you think the US population would have that appetite. Unless the US has an existential threat, which is quite unlikely. As an analogy, the US is the bulky uncle around the corner. Its more fat than muscle. No doubt it can develop that sinewy physique again. But it seems very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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