What a great time to be a fan of Indian cricket

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1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said:

Great post,Enjoyable read

 

@Moth2Flame

 

How was watching cricket in TV in olden days in 80s.Particularly the World cup 83.Did they telecast every match in DD or just news clippings?Something that I always wondered.

First of all, the 80s are not "olden" :-)!!  60s were olden.  80s were like yesterday!

 

If I remember correctly upper middle class people started getting B/W TVs in mid-70s. 1982 Asian Games was first time color TVs became mainstream.  My family did not get even a B/W TV till 1984.  

 

DD showed pretty much every home test match in the 80s (maybe late 70s too, but we didn't have a TV)  1983 WC Final was live-televised; I cannot remember if the SF was televised (I do remember one thing: the Ind-Zim match where Kapil scored 175* was not even video-recorded).  Regardless, I watched the final in my neighbor's house on their newly acquired color TV.  When Kapil took the running-backwards catch that he made look ridiculously easy to dismiss Richards, we ran out into the street and started dancing.  After the win, it was firecrackers!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[prudent_kreeda]

16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Few things about Indian cricket M excited about

1. Our test cricket.....looks a really good team. Nt sure about LOI rite now 

2. Bench strength of pacers.....never ever seen so many options who can bowl around 140k

3. Upcoming players with x-factors in LOI

4. Cupboard of spinner which was looking empty has few good options now to

5. Avg age of this indian side is such that we shudnt see any declines for next 10 yrs if new players also get along smoothly

      A time may come where we may have 2-3 high quality big spinning bowlers, that we can defeat many of non-asian teams in LOI /T20 with  only 2 seamers and 3 high quality spinners . We should dare to include  3 spinners and they will bowl atleast 3-4 overs in  1st powerplay. Our mid overs phase bowling will become very attacking .

 If we observe international batters are thrashing our pace bowlers in first 10 overs , but rather struggle when a top quality spinner is operating .Case in point Jason Roy in recent matches . Only spinners have reined him in. 

Chahal, kuldeep, Jadeja , Mishy (at present form), Ash - possibly Rahul Chahar  in 2 years time  could be that group.

 

Bhumra, Thampi  Nathu Shami  should be able to handle death over pace bowling.

 

Dilemma is Hardik Pandya ....? not a death bowler yet .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

We had great times basically from 2001 onwards . Not something new india team good . 

Without a doubt, the ball got rolling under Ganguly.  We've been getting better, more consistent, more aggressive and athletic over the course of the last 15 years.  VVSL's Kolkata 2001 and Yuvraj/Kaif 2002 NatWest, I think, were key turning points.  

[bowl_out]

Excellent post.. We've made tremendous progressed as a cricket playing nation over the last 2 decades.. 

Glad to see a bigger picture thread after a ton of nit-picking / minor issues / kaanspiracy theory threads.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

      A time may come where we may have 2-3 high quality big spinning bowlers, that we can defeat many of non-asian teams in LOI /T20 with  only 2 seamers and 3 high quality spinners . We should dare to include  3 spinners and they will bowl atleast 3-4 overs in  1st powerplay. Our mid overs phase bowling will become very attacking .

 If we observe international batters are thrashing our pace bowlers in first 10 overs , but rather struggle when a top quality spinner is operating .Case in point Jason Roy in recent matches . Only spinners have reined him in. 

Chahal, kuldeep, Jadeja , Mishy (at present form), Ash - possibly Rahul Chahar  in 2 years time  could be that group.

 

Bhumra, Thampi  Nathu Shami  should be able to handle death over pace bowling.

 

Dilemma is Hardik Pandya ....? not a death bowler yet .

Hardik is not a dilemma , he is a complete asset

Asset on field. 

His 10 over can be completed anywhere

Bats decent to......

 

The guys contributes in many ways. 

[BeautifulGame]

First of all, the 80s are not "olden" :-)!!  60s were olden.  80s were like yesterday!

 

If I remember correctly upper middle class people started getting B/W TVs in mid-70s. 1982 Asian Games was first time color TVs became mainstream.  My family did not get even a B/W TV till 1984.  

 

DD showed pretty much every home test match in the 80s (maybe late 70s too, but we didn't have a TV)  1983 WC Final was live-televised; I cannot remember if the SF was televised (I do remember one thing: the Ind-Zim match where Kapil scored 175* was not even video-recorded).  Regardless, I watched the final in my neighbor's house on their newly acquired color TV.  When Kapil took the running-backwards catch that he made look ridiculously easy to dismiss Richards, we ran out into the street and started dancing.  After the win, it was firecrackers!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the info

Yeah I do remember the big B/W tvs .We still have one at our home with a shutter.You can even lock them with a chain lol

[goose]

Can't argue with any of that but to support an otherwise average Indian side go toe to toe again and again with perhaps the best test ever i.e. Australia was also a special privilege. I wouldn't swap my time following India in the 90s/00s for anything. 

[prudent_kreeda]

My point was who are the best 2 pacers who can handle death overs . I am presuming 5 bowlers out of which 3 are spinners in the 11.

At present pandya cannot be  one of those 2 pace bowlers who can handle death bowling . The other being Bhumra .

Need to master yorkers .  

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Just now, prudent_kreeda said:

My point was who are the best 2 pacers who can handle death overs . I am presuming 5 bowlers out of which 3 are spinners in the 11.

At present pandya cannot be  one of those 2 pace bowlers who can handle death bowling . The other being Bhumra .

Need to master yorkers .  

Bhuvi and Shami are very good at the death...Bhuvi won us the 2nd ODI with his death bowling and before Bumrah arrived Shami was our best death bowler.

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, prudent_kreeda said:

My point was who are the best 2 pacers who can handle death overs . I am presuming 5 bowlers out of which 3 are spinners in the 11.

At present pandya cannot be  one of those 2 pace bowlers who can handle death bowling . The other being Bhumra .

Need to master yorkers .  

Shami and Bumrah are the best bet because Shami takes wickets upfront too. Bhuvi is good at the death but useless otherwise as he barely takes a wicket.

[BeautifulGame]

Without a doubt, the ball got rolling under Ganguly.  We've been getting better, more consistent, more aggressive and athletic over the course of the last 15 years.  VVSL's Kolkata 2001 and Yuvraj/Kaif 2002 NatWest, I think, were key turning points.  

I think our real turning point was the 2000 Champions trophy .

First time I can remember us making final in a world tournament that too beating Australia and SA , the two best teams.

That is kinda underrated but very significant in our remergance .It came right after the fixing saga and really boasted the moral of Indian cricket despite the loss in final.

[maniac]

Just now, laaloo said:

Shami and Bumrah are the best bet because Shami takes wickets upfront too. Bhuvi is good at the death but useless otherwise as he barely takes a wicket.

I upvoted you because very soon that will be neutralized by radhikaji

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3 minutes ago, goose said:

Can't argue with any of that but to support an otherwise average Indian side go toe to toe again and again with perhaps the best test ever i.e. Australia was also a special privilege. I wouldn't swap my time following India in the 90s/00s for anything. 

The 2001 Kolkata match was the pinnacle of that.  It was more than toe-to-toe.  We crossed over from being the bullied to being the bully.  

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1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said:

I think our real turning point was the 2000 Champions trophy .

First time I can remember us making final in a world tournament that too beating Australia and SA , the two best teams.

That is kinda underrated but very significant in our remergance .It came right after the fixing saga and really boasted the moral of Indian cricket despite the loss in final.

I think Rock bottom was that Srilanka game in Sharjah where we got bowled out for 50 odd chasing 300..I thought it was before the Champions trophy though but looks like it was after that game. I still think the Eden Gardens test was the real resurgence in the Indian side

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4 minutes ago, Moth2Flame said:

The 2001 Kolkata match was the pinnacle of that.  It was more than toe-to-toe.  We crossed over from being the bullied to being the bully.  

Agree....I think it was the self-belief that came with that game that started the engine.....I think that and the Nat-west trophy final Kaif-Yuvi game were the 2 landmarks.

 

Prior to that as BG mentioned teh Champions Trophy that showed we had some exciting young talent like Yuvi and Zak might have been a little precursor and then that Srilankan game in Sharjah helped us get rid of a lot of deadwood or was the right wake up call we needed.

[BeautifulGame]

Man I just had a look up at the XI that played in the final against SriLanka

Vinod Kambli ,Badani , R Singh and Dahiya what a sorry looking batting line up.

We have come such a long way.Our B team today will have better batsmen than these .

[kira]

6 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Man I just had a look up at the XI that played in the final against SriLanka

Vinod Kambli ,Badani , R Singh and Dahiya what a sorry looking batting line up.

We have come such a long way.Our B team today will have better batsmen than these .

But kambli had more tailunt than anyone playing for India today (barring tailunt sharma ofcourse )

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, Cricketics said:

 

In Adelaide test during the 2015 tour, when he captained for the first time when Dhoni was injured, he showed his approach to go after the attack and win it for India. India lost the match  and it was a heart breaking loss after the effort put by him and Vijay, and that hurt Kohli's ego big time. I am glad it hurt his ego because he took that game to the heart and ever since then, has made it a point that he and his players will play always for the victory and not entertain the myths and the records.

 

That Adelaide test defeat was a blessing in disguise.

 

 

I will always look at that Adelaide loss as one of the major turning points in VK's evolution as a test batsman.  He got out playing a shot he plays often in LOI cricket.  I have not seen him attempt that shot in test cricket since.  He has a renewed focus in keeping the ball on the ground since that series.  A quality example of shot selection and discipline.  

 

He played that shot out of arrogance, and in denial of the fact that he wasn't really a power hitter who could clear a big boundary there as a matter of high probability.  Might have a bit to do with his strength training too.  He has clearly gotten stronger and is able to hit more 6s than he did earlier.  He's never going to out-slug the likes of Gayle, Russell etc but he has done the hard work he needs to, in order to use it when he wants to, in white-ball cricket.  

[sandeep]

50 minutes ago, kira said:

But kambli had more tailunt than anyone playing for India today (barring tailunt sharma ofcourse )

Robin Singh may not have been talented, but he was a 200 percenter on the field.  Left all he had, out there on the ground. Every game.  

 

Badani could have been a useful MO bat, but his sweep shot was his achilles heel.  He was definitely better than the likes of Dinesh Mongia.  But he kept blowing the opportunities that came his way.   The final nail in the coffin was his failure against the Aussies in a low-scoring chase when he was playing as that extra batsman.   I think he got out sweeping there as well.  Never mind that India dropped close to 5 catches in that game, Ganguly was royally pissed that they lost a series decider(?) on his home ground.   Hemang, the gujju boy from Tamil nadu, never played for India again.  

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58 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I will always look at that Adelaide loss as one of the major turning points in VK's evolution as a test batsman.  He got out playing a shot he plays often in LOI cricket.  I have not seen him attempt that shot in test cricket since.  He has a renewed focus in keeping the ball on the ground since that series.  A quality example of shot selection and discipline.  

 

He played that shot out of arrogance, and in denial of the fact that he wasn't really a power hitter who could clear a big boundary there as a matter of high probability.  Might have a bit to do with his strength training too.  He has clearly gotten stronger and is able to hit more 6s than he did earlier.  He's never going to out-slug the likes of Gayle, Russell etc but he has done the hard work he needs to, in order to use it when he wants to, in white-ball cricket.  

Don't underestimate the power of the juice, too ;-).