maniac Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 How many games has this actually won? I mean instead of finishing off the game early, this kind of chewpanti strategy has cost us more games than being useful. Dhoni alone has lost 4-5 matches like this from memory. Yesterday we saw Iyer do the same,Pandey the other day and today Hardik. What a pointless tactic and yes I blame Dhoni for starting this stupid trend but then again players should use their own brains. beetle and Laaloo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensible-indian Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) Pandya had no choice. You can't blame him today for this approach. Iyer had little choice too. Mishy against Mujeeb was never gonna work. Edited April 24, 2018 by sensible-indian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensible-indian Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Pandya's batting needs to be blamed tho. 3 off 18 lol. velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Gowtham against Bambis couple of days back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 This Sadakchap joker Pandya is living off that fluke innings against the neighbours. He's not cut out for competitive cricket and is only good at changing hairstyles and posting selfies on Instagram. This guy should be dropped from the team immediately and sent to domestics to work hard on the game.An absolute disgrace to the game of cricket. Baffles me when I see talented batsmen like Rahul sitting out while this joker keeps on getting game after game. beetle, Gollum, Garuda and 4 others 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: Pandya's batting needs to be blamed tho. 3 off 18 lol. damn .. didnt notice it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I thought maniac had some acumen but not to be. In Iyer and Pandya's situation, there was no other choice. He could easily have taken singles and stayed not out as Wickets were falling from the other end. He was waiting for weaker bowlers. Hitting Rashid was impossible yesterday who making the ball zip turn at 95-100 kph. Pitch wasn't conducive for stroke play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Didn't watch the last two matches, but you're right about Dhoni. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shunya Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Dumb...another biased Dhoni hate thread... Dhoni believes in taking it to the end theory...it does not mean last ball always... The probability of winning by taking it as late as possible is right in LOIs and it is rightly echoed by most of the cricketers around the world...and this is mainly in the context of middle and lower order batting where Dhoni bats. Nobody advocates top order taking it to the end unless you want to vent your frustration at Dhoni. We have turned master chasers ever since Dravid became captain and started this trend with Dhoni n Yuvi. The take it to end theory is very good if you are a middle order batsman trying to chase and win. Not giving strike in last 2/3 balls is no strategy that anyone advocates...its all situation dependent. If your required runs are significantly higher in last over and all you need is 4s and 6s, obviously the batsman capable of hitting those huge hits shud keep strike. Laaloo and Garuda 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 52 minutes ago, Shunya said: Dumb...another biased Dhoni hate thread... Dhoni believes in taking it to the end theory...it does not mean last ball always... The probability of winning by taking it as late as possible is right in LOIs and it is rightly echoed by most of the cricketers around the world...and this is mainly in the context of middle and lower order batting where Dhoni bats. Nobody advocates top order taking it to the end unless you want to vent your frustration at Dhoni. We have turned master chasers ever since Dravid became captain and started this trend with Dhoni n Yuvi. The take it to end theory is very good if you are a middle order batsman trying to chase and win. Not giving strike in last 2/3 balls is no strategy that anyone advocates...its all situation dependent. If your required runs are significantly higher in last over and all you need is 4s and 6s, obviously the batsman capable of hitting those huge hits shud keep strike. OP wanted Markande, Bumrah, Fizz to take strike instead of Pandya. Pandya did the right thing. he was the only one who could win them the game. he could not that is a different thing. he could easily have given them stroke and stayed not out. philcric, Mariyam and Shunya 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 @maniac The habit of refusing a single also signals intent. the batsman takes charge and decides that he is going to hit the big runs. It also signals a lack of faith in the non strikers' batting abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, sensible-indian said: Pandya's batting needs to be blamed tho. 3 off 18 lol. 3 from 19. Every dot ball is golden in T20. Edited April 25, 2018 by Straight Drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: 3 from 19. Every dot ball is golden in T20. So you're essentially trying to say that Pandya is the IPL hen that lays the golden ball egg. velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mariyam said: So you're essentially trying to say that Pandya is the IPL hen that lays the golden ball egg. He hasn't laid a egg so far in this tournament iirc. Hope he does not wastes 19 balls for laying the golden egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garuda Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 It can only be done with the confidence that Dhoni and Bevan has that they can finish the runs in the end overs. Its called keeping the target close within their range by placing the ball in the gaps and running hard. and in the last 2 overs they can hit a six or four to finish the game. Before the arrival of Dhoni, India lost a lot of tournament finals where they had scores like 180/2 at the 30th over and crumble to 260. Its because the Indian batting was top heavy with Sachin, Sehwag and Saurav and the rest crumbled. With Dhoni assuming the finishing role, UV and Raina can play freely and Dhoni can use the end overs effectively. This thread is more of a Dhoni hate thread rather than criticizing Pandya. Pandya is new to this type of environment and his style is similar to UV and Raina which is going the tonk. He doesnt know how to farm the strike and scoring at the same time. velu, Mariyam, UnknownGenius and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) @rkt.india you are getting my point wrong...If you start making calculations for the last over in over no.17 regardless of who you are batting with, itself is a defeatist mentality. Kaul,Sandeep and Thampi might be weak links in Pandya’s mind, but it takes one good ball when you are batting with the tail. You smack what is in front of you in T20, obviously if it is the last 1-2 balls of the over and you are looking to farm strike that is totally fair but you don’t start calculating ahead of time. Dhoni has lost quiet a few games like this in T20 format but I don’t want to make this about him,it is about the overall principle. Now going back to the theory of batting with the tail, 2 of the most successful batsmen when it comes to that I know of VVS Laxman and Steve Waugh...they never over did the farming of strike. Edited April 25, 2018 by maniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Hardik was blindly slogging against kaul but playing dot balls with straight defense against Rashid Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachinism Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 When you're batting with a tailender, its a calculated risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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