Why is it important for India to field the same set of players in all 3 formats ?

[NareshK]

When test cricket is such a different ball game (for instance, opening in foreign conditions), it doesnt make sense to have almost the same eleven in all 3 formats. 

 

It makes sense to have specialists in 3 formats and yet Indian team doesnt seem to come out of this mindset despite continuous failures in overseas conditions.

 

Rishabh Pant for instance, will not cross double figures in either innings because he simply doesnt have the game to score in these conditions and yet the management thinks its a perfectly sensible decision for him to play tests in England. Clueless management and clueless decision process. 

[Number]

I agree with you that Test selections should not based on the form in any other format.

However Rishabh Pant is there because he did well in domestic cricket and in India A's game in England. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

43 minutes ago, NareshK said:

Rishabh Pant for instance, will not cross double figures in either innings because he simply doesnt have the game to score in these conditions and yet the management thinks its a perfectly sensible decision for him to play tests in England. Clueless management and clueless decision process. 

Have u even seen him bat in test till now 

[rkt.india]

47 minutes ago, NareshK said:

 

Rishabh Pant for instance, will not cross double figures in either innings because he simply doesnt have the game to score in these conditions and yet the management thinks its a perfectly sensible decision for him to play tests in England. Clueless management and clueless decision process. 

Yes, Saha and Karthik would have been better. why are not they playing?

Edited August 18, 2018 by rkt.india

[Ankit_sharma03]

I dnt get this thinking , jst becoz a player has the abilty to play on higher s/r ...how does that mean he is not fit to play test cricket

[NareshK]

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I dnt get this thinking , jst becoz a player has the abilty to play on higher s/r ...how does that mean he is not fit to play test cricket

His technique doesnt suit test cricket, especially when the ball moves around in England. You can see that a mile away.

[Ankit_sharma03]

20 minutes ago, NareshK said:

His technique doesnt suit test cricket, especially when the ball moves around in England. You can see that a mile away.

every player has sme technique issue and after a point its overrarted

england is not the only place in world, n pretty much every one is struggling in test cricket 

[rkt.india]

26 minutes ago, NareshK said:

His technique doesnt suit test cricket, especially when the ball moves around in England. You can see that a mile away.

he just scored runs in same England. Everyone struggles when ball moves around.

[NareshK]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

he just scored runs in same England. Everyone struggles when ball moves around.

Some have the ability to still survive and score in those conditions. Pant is clearly not one of them.

[velu]

our another problem is pushing players in the wrong format ..

DK and rohit  in tests , pandey in T20s , rahane in odis etc

[beetle]

1 hour ago, NareshK said:

His technique doesnt suit test cricket, especially when the ball moves around in England. You can see that a mile away.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.mykhel.com/amphtml/cricket/delhi-rishabh-pant-hammers-308-in-326-balls-create-ranji-trophy-record-007606.html

 

Ranji Trophy: Delhis Rishabh Pant hammers 308 off 326 balls, creates record

He is 20 yrs old. He has only got chance to show his talent in domestic till now and he has done fairly well in ranji. Remember , he is a wkt keeper batsman.

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by beetle

[R!TTER]

Just now, velu said:

our another problem is pushing players in the wrong format ..

DK and rohit  in tests , pandey in T20s , rahane in odis etc

Dhoni in every format bar IPL and TNPL 

[bowl_out]

While I agree with the concept of having different players for different formats, Rishab Pant’s example is out of place. You need to try out players in different formats before figuring which ones they will do well in, particularly players that have shown great promise playing for India A

[raki05]

3 hours ago, NareshK said:

His technique doesnt suit test cricket, especially when the ball moves around in England. You can see that a mile away.

What abt smith technique. And what about pujara who seems to be a test specialist but shits in his pants everytime if the pitch is not subcontinent one.

[speedheat]

3 hours ago, NareshK said:

His technique doesnt suit test cricket, especially when the ball moves around in England. You can see that a mile away.

You expect that sort of techniq  from a wicket keeper batsman?? Even the specialist batters like puj,dhawan etc. Don't have tight techniq in these type of conditions, I would say he has a sound hitting technique he can be that ' up the ante' WK batter for us and there is no reason why he can't improve his defense technique.

[Chandan]

5 hours ago, NareshK said:

 

 

Rishabh Pant for instance, will not cross double figures in either innings because he simply doesnt have the game to score in these conditions and yet the management thinks its a perfectly sensible decision for him to play tests in England. Clueless management and clueless decision process. 

I'm not discussing your other other points, but for Pant-- he scored 58 and 61 v Eng Lions, a team which had Woakes, Curran, Porter and many others as bowlers.

https://goo.gl/aWJxSR

 

I think Ind selectors have thought that he is prepared for test cricket because he has played FC cricket, has played A cricket and did well while visiting Eng. So why can't they give a test cap to him?

You tell us the reasons. How else can they identify?

[rkt.india]

14 hours ago, Chandan said:

I'm not discussing your other other points, but for Pant-- he scored 58 and 61 v Eng Lions, a team which had Woakes, Curran, Porter and many others as bowlers.

https://goo.gl/aWJxSR

 

I think Ind selectors have thought that he is prepared for test cricket because he has played FC cricket, has played A cricket and did well while visiting Eng. So why can't they give a test cap to him?

You tell us the reasons. How else can they identify?

Because he can hit 6s like ABDV.

[jf1gp_1]

I had similar opinion about Pant like OP till he came out to bat yesterday. I just felt he wasnt ready and needs a year more of domestic and A tours plus not an ideal state to make debut in england 2 test down.  One does now have to accept Pant looks so confident, handled anderson well and among the two it was Pandya who looked in trouble. So more power to Pant and I hope he gets 50+ today. With Ashwin there to guide and keep him calm he actually could which would be fantastic. 

[Pollack]

Remember one of the first few comments I made on Pant was he would be more successful in tests than in LOIs like Sehwag. Players like Sehwag and Pant are restless and always out to score of every ball. In tests, the general perception of how tests are to be played calms them down a bit since at the back of the mind they are reminded of playing a test match.That helps them to play long innings.

[beetle]

3 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

I had similar opinion about Pant like OP till he came out to bat yesterday. I just felt he wasnt ready and needs a year more of domestic and A tours plus not an ideal state to make debut in england 2 test down.  One does now have to accept Pant looks so confident, handled anderson well and among the two it was Pandya who looked in trouble. So more power to Pant and I hope he gets 50+ today. With Ashwin there to guide and keep him calm he actually could which would be fantastic. 

I felt more confident after he did well in the A tour. Not just the runs but how he got them.

Dravid's statement about his temperament for the longer version was something that gave confidence.