Indian batsmen have shelled advantage once again as England look to have upper hand on day 3

[Trichromatic 3,768]

It was really poor effort on flat pitch. England batted in difficult conditions and 246 was good bowling effort by Indian team. They conceded 40 runs extra, but Indian batting got best conditions and failed to capitalise on this.

 

Batting 4th in this inning will be difficult. We needed a lead of 100+ and these conditions were good enough for that. England can score big on day 3 and seal the match there.

[MultiB48 1,084]

excluding 1990-2007 ,ind has crossed 400 only 4 times in eng .it has always been a struggle to get a big scores.

[gattaca 1,262]

#Thankyouop 

[rkt.india 9,533]

3 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

excluding 1990-2007 ,ind has crossed 400 only 4 times in eng .it has always been a struggle to get a big scores.

even 100 run lead would have been handy

[rkt.india 9,533]

they also let them score 246 from 86/6.

[Trichromatic 3,768]

2 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

excluding 1990-2007 ,ind has crossed 400 only 4 times in eng .it has always been a struggle to get a big scores.

If it was pacers going through Indian batting then it would have still been ok. Although Moeen bowled well, but losing 6 wickets for 63 runs was very poor.

[Trichromatic 3,768]

Just now, rkt.india said:

they also let them score 246 from 86/6.

Recovery usually expected in these conditions. Freakish days will have team getting bundled out for 120-140 after being 86-6. 

 

Bowlers conceded 40 runs extra. 

[MultiB48 1,084]

9 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

If it was pacers going through Indian batting then it would have still been ok. Although Moeen bowled well, but losing 6 wickets for 63 runs was very poor.

it was bound to happen ,you cant depend on pant ,ashwin,pandya. Puji finally scored after so many yrs, else would have been worse

[MultiB48 1,084]

14 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

even 100 run lead would have been handy

how often do they get even 300? you are expecting too much .

[The Dark Horse 1,769]

Happens in sport. Can't expect a team to be perfect all the time.

[Clarke 1,332]

We didn't make the most of conditions. Bowling first was helpful for seamers and we didn't wrap Eng for a low score. Batting on 2nd day was easier & 141/2 should have meant a bigger score. We got both aspects to blame. 

[Number 2,339]

How many times this has happened overseas with us recently that we have firm grip on the game and suddenly a collapse or a session or two of poor bowling fielding and we are back to square one.

[Gollum 7,619]

It was a 450 pitch, we messed up badly. Current bunch is hopeless, no other team in world cricket including Bangladesh would have collapsed the way we did after 140/2.

[goose 817]

I wonder how many of you would have taken a 1st innings lead of 27 batting last...before the game?

[Gollum 7,619]

2 minutes ago, goose said:

I wonder how many of you would have taken a 1st innings lead of 27 batting last...before the game?

Not me. I wanted minimum 150 runs lead, we are very very poor in 4th innings.

[goose 817]

7 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Not me. I wanted minimum 150 runs lead, we are very very poor in 4th innings.

So if you were given a lead of 75 before the game started you'd have said no lets play and see if we can get more? Hmmm

[Gollum 7,619]

142/2 (41 overs) with Che and Kohli batting

4th test, enough time to acclimatize to conditions

Coming on the back of a dominating win at Trent Bridge, momentum swing our way

England messing up with the bat on day 1 after winning a good toss

Deficit a mere 104 after just under 1.5 days of cricket

No Woakes

Stokes injured

Anderson off colour

Rashid LOL

Broad/Curran/Moeen not exactly McGrath/Gillespie/Warne, not even in the same ball park

Bright sunshine + little cloud cover + pancake pitch + old cherry

Dropped catches galore

Dropping shoulders on the field, Root as captain....extra LOL

 

Yet we collapsed to 195/8 by over no 61, 53/6 in 20 overs !!!! Explain that.

[Tridibans_16 191]

3 minutes ago, goose said:

So if you were given a lead of 75 before the game started you'd have said no lets play and see if we can get more? Hmmm

You are missing the point. We had them for 86/6 ffs and let them score 246

 

We were 140/2 with two set batsmen at the crease. We collapsed to 198/8. Only 1 batsman needed to support Pujara and we could have easily scored atleast 50 runs more.

[goose 817]

9 minutes ago, Tridibans_16 said:

You are missing the point. We had them for 86/6 ffs and let them score 246

 

We were 140/2 with two set batsmen at the crease. We collapsed to 198/8. Only 1 batsman needed to support Pujara and we could have easily scored atleast 50 runs more.

No you are missing my point

[goose 817]

For what it's worth the bookies have got the following % probabilities

Eng - 55%

Ind - 41%

Draw - 4%

[rkt.india 9,533]

41 minutes ago, Gollum said:

It was a 450 pitch, we messed up badly. Current bunch is hopeless, no other team in world cricket including Bangladesh would have collapsed the way we did after 140/2.

No team scored 300, so, how it was a 450 pitch.  450 was noted scored in the last county game played here.  In the first test, England collapsed after 210/3.

Edited September 1 by rkt.india

[rkt.india 9,533]

22 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

Bright sunshine + little cloud cover + pancake pitch + old cherry

 

This is the unique thing about Ageas Bowl unlike other venues.  Here ball swings more under bright sunlight and than under cloud cover and the reason maybe because it is a port city.  I had not observed the same even in 2014 where Anderson swung the ball crazy under bright sunlight at Ages Bowl. Same our bowlers did on day 1.  it was sunny and ball swung prodigiously.

[chewy 2,296]

Just too many times, initiative lost by batsmen and against all odds

ffs they saw off all four of England seam bowlers and capitulated against Moeen 

some grit, only some grit was needed to inch closer to 250

what’s annoying throughout the tour both Pandya and Ashwin has shown that maturity and grittiness with the bat

And when it was needed the most, series on the line, both have a brainfades

 

the less said about the openers the better, bunch of below par cricketers

[R.D forever 200]

We need a proper no 6. Pure batsman. If u want to play pandya then remove Ashwin or one of the seamers. The top order is not good enough to afford a pandya as no 6. He is at Max a 30 run player

[sensible-indian 1,361]

1 minute ago, chewy said:

Just too many times, initiative lost by batsmen and against all odds

ffs they saw off all four of England seam bowlers and capitulated against Moeen 

some grit, only some grit was needed to inch closer to 250

what’s annoying throughout the tour both Pandya and Ashwin has shown that maturity and grittiness with the bat

And when it was needed the most, series on the line, both have a brainfades

 

the less said about the openers the better, bunch of below par cricketers

You cant trust Pandya or Ashwin with the bat. 

 

They will score when no one expects them to. 

 

Jaddu should hav played this test. Atleast bowling would hav been stronger. 

 

 

[sensible-indian 1,361]

1 minute ago, R.D forever said:

We need a proper no 6. Pure batsman. If u want to play pandya then remove Ashwin or one of the seamers. The top order is not good enough to afford a pandya as no 6. He is at Max a 30 run player

Obsession to play Pandya has hurt us in multiple tests.

 

I am grateful for his performance in 3rd test but he doesn't inspire confidence with the bat or ball.

 

He needs to go back to domestics and score a bunch of runs and then be brought back in. 

 

Its unfair on Pandya to expect him to bat like a proper bat when he hasnt proven himself to be consistent in domestics for any length of time.

 

This is wild experimentation which would hav been understandable had we had a good batting lineup. 

 

We dont and right now we are neither strengthening our bowling or batting. 

 

 

[chewy 2,296]

1 minute ago, sensible-indian said:

You cant trust Pandya or Ashwin with the bat. 

 

They will score when no one expects them to. 

 

Jaddu should hav played this test. Atleast bowling would hav been stronger. 

 

 

Of course can’t trust either, and don’t wont to blame them, because they have done plenty in series with the bat, just that they have played according situation in past and yesterday was a cluster fe ck from both

 

but anyways if people want to point fingers at batting, the blame solely lies at the top two. The current bunch of openers are bloody pathetic.

Dhawan is an average cricketer and not good enough to play elite level. And Rahul needs to sort himself out against incoming deliveries.

 

can’t believe now been 7 innings and none of openers have got a 50plus score. No 3,4,5 have all got 50s on this tour. 

[Lannister 2,920]

The whole batting unit is lost. There's just too many questions with no one capable enough to help them in the team management. This is entirely on Ravi Shastri and his chewtiya gang. I thought they turned it around with the last match win, but you still had that uncertainty feel about the batting unit. 

[Tridibans_16 191]

I do't know what ICF'ers are defending here. Fact is, our batsmen let us down once again after the hardwork of our bowlers. Same as in Edgbaston.

 

When you are 142/2 (trailing by just 104), you bat the opposition out of the game. No two ways about it. In fact, there were no seam/ swing devils in the pitch. It was feking Moeen who did the damage

[sensible-indian 1,361]

9 minutes ago, chewy said:

Of course can’t trust either, and don’t wont to blame them, because they have done plenty in series with the bat, just that they have played according situation in past and yesterday was a cluster fe ck from both

 

but anyways if people want to point fingers at batting, the blame solely lies at the top two. The current bunch of openers are bloody pathetic.

Dhawan is an average cricketer and not good enough to play elite level. And Rahul needs to sort himself out against incoming deliveries.

 

can’t believe now been 7 innings and none of openers have got a 50plus score. No 3,4,5 have all got 50s on this tour. 

Actually i blame both of them. 

 

Both hav scored when all hope was lost and failed when they were needed. Basically stat boosting.

 

Atleast Pandya has had some impact with the bat in a crucial juncture but Ashwin has been impactless. 

 

It's got to do with selfishness in Ashwin's case. Bhuvi doesnt hav 75% of his talent but he applies so well and helps his team out.

 

How can we give Moeen free wickets at a crucial juncture at 195 for 5.

 

Criminal.

 

Also our regular batsmen should be ashamed of themselves.

 

Edited September 1 by sensible-indian

[nevada 798]

30 minutes ago, goose said:

For what it's worth the bookies have got the following % probabilities

Eng - 55%

Ind - 41%

Draw - 4%

Sounds reasonable. India could still win this, but they will have to do plenty of work to get there.

[rtmohanlal 621]

Rahul & Dhawan -- lot below par as openers

Rahane -needed to  maintain his avg: of around 33 in ENG( sine he has been brilliant in other 3 of SENA), but a bit off from that

Ashwin - lot expected of him with the bat to  rise to the occasion but surprised as to what happend to the same man who scored 2 100s in WI and got out to a spinner for 0

Pandya - would forgive him because he won it in the 3rd test, but yet a 20 ood would have been very helpful

Pant - for a rookie with an uncluttered mind should have played with utmost positive frame of mind. Instead went into his shell.

 

India still have a chance if they treat 4rth inns as normal because  this is not still Indian mine field last day pitch.Having played quality spinners in domestic all the time back home, some one like Moeen shouldn't at all be a problem for  them. So this is all about  mental

adjustment especially by the 2 openers. That would be most critical in 4rth inns

[ravishingravi 371]

I don’t think Rahul or Dhawan have the technique to grind it out. They must be asked to play like an ODI. They might end up rattling the bowlers.