Trump screwing china !!!

[velu]

Current tariffs : 25% on 50 billion ( current ) and 10% on 200 billion ( from sep 24th )

Trump : "If there is no resolution by December 2nd week , 10% will be increased rto 25% from jan 1st"  

 

 

"They also know that I am the one that knows how to stop it. " 

 

 

[rkt.india]

Trump has screwed india too

[Stradlater]

Quite unrelated to the thread but according to Stormy Daniels Trump has quite an unusual penis.

I wonder what that means.

Or maybe it is related to the topic under discussion and his brain is actually located in his dick which would make a lot of sense.

[Clarke]

China, India & Pakistan must hate him. Only Russia (the oligarchs, not the people) love him due to their remote control.

[Singh bling]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Trump has screwed india too

How?

[velu]

5 hours ago, Clarke said:

China, India & Pakistan must hate him. Only Russia (the oligarchs, not the people) love him due to their remote control.

 

dont think even trump can control himself  

[wanted_desi]

He is screwing everyone. 

[Clarke]

I would like to think Mueller is very close to knocking out Trump now that he has full access to Manafort among other people. The actual knock out might not happen as the Republicans in house & senate & many of their voters have sold whatever ounce of patriotism they might have had. 

 

 

[Tibarn]

Trump is showing the world the power of a Superpower and the Chinese their aukaat. This is what is called "soft power." One has to truly admire strength and be envious of it as well. Purely for comedic reasons, I hope he puts these tariffs on Europe, Canada, Mexico etc. That would be the biggest reality check for these gyaanis (and it would benefit India as well ) 

 

Compare it to the vacuous nonsense think-tankis and buddhi-jeevis in India pass off as "soft power": Bollywood, Secularism, Democracy, Yoga-day, Cricket-diplomacy   

 

We have been so thouroughly outclassed the last 70+ years it's not even funny. It's a little bit sad actually.  

 

Hopefully Ajit Doval lives up to his hype should Mahatma Modi win a few more terms. 

[Muloghonto]

12 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

Trump is showing the world the power of a Superpower and the Chinese their aukaat. This is what is called "soft power." One has to truly admire strength and be envious of it as well. Purely for comedic reasons, I hope he puts these tariffs on Europe, Canada, Mexico etc. That would be the biggest reality check for these gyaanis (and it would benefit India as well ) 

 

Compare it to the vacuous nonsense think-tankis and buddhi-jeevis in India pass off as "soft power": Bollywood, Secularism, Democracy, Yoga-day, Cricket-diplomacy   

 

We have been so thouroughly outclassed the last 70+ years it's not even funny. It's a little bit sad actually.  

 

Hopefully Ajit Doval lives up to his hype should Mahatma Modi win a few more terms. 

Forget Doval, not even Machiavelli would change much for India. India has no money to compete with China or USA in the field of international policy. Its a small player in a big pond putting on a shark costume, thinking people will buy the bluff. They won't. India's international policy failure is primarily due to lack of $$ to back its intentions. 

This is the reason your precious  Modi made promises to Mongolia and then sold them down the river. 

[Tibarn]

Trump has had a very unique foreign policy with numerous events which can be argued to be achievements. Also, there is no way Trump has been bad for India. He is the most openly pro-India US President since JFK, although there have been some decisions which have hurt India, on the net, he has been a positive. 

 

International events which happened under his watch

1) The decisive turn in the battle against ISIS, partially due to Trump's changes as Commander and Chief. 

2) The warming of ties between North and South Korea, once again with Trump's State Department's involvement

3) Shifting in the Overton Window with regards to NATO and the UN. 

4) Shifting of the Overton Window with regards to Islam and Immigration, providing leadership for other countries ie Hungary and Poland

5) Somewhat warming of ties between Russia and the US. 

6) US punishing Turkey through tariffs and sanctions. 

 

Positives in an Indian view

1) Increased friendliness toward India facilitated by the Republican Hindu Coalition and Shalabh Kumar.

2) Increased government contact between the two countries ie 2 + 2 meetings 

3) Economic pressure on China, our direct Economic rival

4) Loopholes in Russian sanctions to allow India to continue to buy military hardware from Russia.

5) The punishing of Turkey

6) US increasing pressure on Bakistan, including just this month cancelling $300 million in aid. 

7) Fighting back ISIS 

 

 

 

 

[Tibarn]

double post

Edited September 20, 2018 by Tibarn

[Tibarn]

20 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Forget Doval, not even Machiavelli would change much for India. India has no money to compete with China or USA in the field of international policy. Its a small player in a big pond putting on a shark costume, thinking people will buy the bluff. They won't. India's international policy failure is primarily due to lack of $$ to back its intentions. 

This is the reason your precious  Modi made promises to Mongolia and then sold them down the river. 

 

Strawman, never said we did and never compared Indian economic capability to Chinese or American. One doesn't require the economy of the size of US or China to have soft power. Even countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia have soft power. Neither can China compete with US, so putting them in the same sentence here is a joke. 

 

Lol at India being a small player. You are thinking of your precious Canada here. The 4th largest economy and 4th most powerful military do not equal a small player unless the definition of small player includes everyone except the US. Indian capability isn't equal to that of the US or China or Russia, but that doesn't preclude it from developing soft power. 

 

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Tibarn said:

 

Strawman, never said we did and never compared Indian economic capability to Chinese or American. One doesn't require the economy of the size of US or China to have soft power. Even countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia have soft power. Neither can China compete with US, so putting them in the same sentence here is a joke. 

The two countries you named have far bigger purse than India when it comes to throwing money around. And in case of Russia, it has the military menace that only NATO respects. If Russia today were to take a militaristic stance towards China, even PLA would crap their pants...with us, they will laugh. 

1 minute ago, Tibarn said:

 

Lol at India being a small player. You are thinking of your precious Canada here. The 4th largest economy and 4th most powerful military do not equal a small player unless the definition of small player includes everyone except the US. Indian capability isn't equal to that of the US or China or Russia, but that doesn't preclude it from developing soft power. 

 

They are a small player, because nobody respects India in the international field - which is why we have no staunch allies or friends. India is a paper tiger and whats even worse, its the incapable 'bully-protector' who sells out the few who trusts it. Modi showed India's true aukaat when he promised Mongolia support for standing up to China and then went MIA, because India is all bluff - it has no $$ to back up its talk. 

 

To be a power of ANY sort, India has to first and foremost, back up its talk. Even Modi proved that he is spineless, like the Congress when it comes to backing the little guys it incites to stand up for themselves.

[Moochad]

1 hour ago, Tibarn said:

Trump has had a very unique foreign policy with numerous events which can be argued to be achievements. Also, there is no way Trump has been bad for India. He is the most openly pro-India US President since JFK, although there have been some decisions which have hurt India, on the net, he has been a positive. 

 

International events which happened under his watch

1) The decisive turn in the battle against ISIS, partially due to Trump's changes as Commander and Chief. 

2) The warming of ties between North and South Korea, once again with Trump's State Department's involvement

3) Shifting in the Overton Window with regards to NATO and the UN. 

4) Shifting of the Overton Window with regards to Islam and Immigration, providing leadership for other countries ie Hungary and Poland

5) Somewhat warming of ties between Russia and the US. 

6) US punishing Turkey through tariffs and sanctions. 

 

Positives in an Indian view

1) Increased friendliness toward India facilitated by the Republican Hindu Coalition and Shalabh Kumar.

2) Increased government contact between the two countries ie 2 + 2 meetings 

3) Economic pressure on China, our direct Economic rival

4) Loopholes in Russian sanctions to allow India to continue to buy military hardware from Russia.

5) The punishing of Turkey

6) US increasing pressure on Bakistan, including just this month cancelling $300 million in aid. 

7) Fighting back ISIS 

 

 

 

 

Yaar you missed the biggest one, If Russia-US ties warm up, India loses its biggest headache of monkey-balancing its relationship with the two. 

[Tibarn]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

The two countries you named have far bigger purse than India when it comes to throwing money around. And in case of Russia, it has the military menace that only NATO respects. If Russia today were to take a militaristic stance towards China, even PLA would crap their pants...with us, they will laugh. 

Except this is nonsense.  SA and Russia are not economically strong and neither has had an economy and market the size of India's:

 

SA doesn't have as much money as you think to throw around. Based off of one IMF projection, they will run out of financial reserves by 2020-21.  Their economy is under stress due to the falling of oil prices. They have even had to start charging IT to its citizens just to pay for all the entitlements they have. 

 

A similar story exists for Russia. Depending on the year, their economy has been declining in size (partly because of oil). They don't have money to throw around.

 

Both are declining economies, one doesn't even have much of a military, yet they, along with other countries, have soft power. 

A large economy isn't a requirement for soft power, but India has that anyway. 

 

Here you are also confusing hard vs soft power. The PLA being weak in comparison to the Russian Army is an example of hard power. 

 

Regardless, my post was regarding future tense. India has both a booming economy, an ever-expanding amount of FOREX reserves, and a government which is working to fix the balance sheet. There is nothing preventing India from developing soft power capabilities.

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

They are a small player, because nobody respects India in the international field - which is why we have no staunch allies or friends.

Again this is laughable. Please back up this claim that no one respects India. India has support from numerous major countries for a permanent role on the UN Security Council.  

 

 

India has no staunch allies or friends by a matter of policy: non-alignment. Blame that retarded Non-Alignment policy. Even then, the Soviets were at one time an Ally. The Israelis went out of their way to aide India during the Kargil War. India under Modi has become involved in new security dialogues such as the India-Australia-Japan dialogue and the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue. It is India's job to push these security dialogues into full blown alliances, which again fits with the future tense nature of my post. 

 

No, India is a player that punches below its weight but is finding its feet. There is no reason the worlds 4th largest economy and military is a small player and there is no reason it cannot use the power it already has. Unless your definition of large player is only the US, India is not a small player. A small player is something like Canada which has limited power projection capacity/ a sphere of influence or Djibouti something so irrelevant that no one knows it exists.  

 

 

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

India is a paper tiger and whats even worse, its the incapable 'bully-protector' who sells out the few who trusts it. Modi showed India's true aukaat when he promised Mongolia support for standing up to China and then went MIA, because India is all bluff - it has no $$ to back up its talk. 

Your entire argument comes down to Mongolia? India's ties with Mongolia are still in development: the FM just went to Mongolia in April to deepen ties. There was never a large relationship with them in the first place, but they are still in development.

 

You ignore Vietnam a more direct rival to China, to whom India is in the process of selling/has sold misses ie BrahMos, Akash. 

 

Soft-power doesn't require that India out maneuver China in Mongolia. It is already established that China has more financial clout than India. That doesn't preclude India from developing soft power.India simply has to be able to influence other countries toward its sphere of influence and make decisions in India's favor. 

 

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

To be a power of ANY sort, India has to first and foremost, back up its talk. Even Modi proved that he is spineless, like the Congress when it comes to backing the little guys it incites to stand up for themselves.

 

Again nonsense. Power is the ability to exert influence.  

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/power

Quote

: possession of control, authority, or influence over others

b: one having such powerspecifically : a sovereign state

c: a controlling group : ESTABLISHMENT —often used in the phrase the powers that be

darchaic : a force of armed men

echiefly dialectal : a large number or quantity

India can and does exert influence. It should just do better and more, in line with the size of its economy and military

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2018 by Tibarn

[Moochad]

1 hour ago, Tibarn said:

Except this is nonsense.  SA and Russia are not economically strong and neither has had an economy and market the size of India's:

 

SA doesn't have as much money as you think to throw around. Based off of one IMF projection, they will run out of financial reserves by 2020-21.  Their economy is under stress due to the falling of oil prices. They have even had to start charging IT to its citizens just to pay for all the entitlements they have. 

 

 

Soft-power doesn't require that India out maneuver China in Mongolia. It is already established that China has more financial clout than India. That doesn't preclude India from developing soft power.India simply has to be able to influence other countries toward its sphere of influence and make decisions in India's favor. 

 

 

 

 

No bhai you are clearly wrong

 

A rhino or a lion is not a power because they are weaker than an elephant

 

Also, I don't think Mulo bro got your sarcasm by calling Modi Mahatma Modi 

Edited September 20, 2018 by Moochad

[Tibarn]

1 hour ago, Moochad said:

Yaar you missed the biggest one, If Russia-US ties warm up, India loses its biggest headache of monkey-balancing its relationship with the two. 

My fault, that was what I was trying to imply/write, but I think I forgot it. 

 

If Russia-US ties warm up, we lose one of our two biggest headaches, the other being the Iran-US-Israel relationship.  

Edited September 20, 2018 by Tibarn

[Moochad]

13 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

My fault, that was what I was trying to imply/write, but I think I forgot it. 

 

If Russia-US ties warm up, we lose our two biggest headaches, the other being the Iran-US-Israel relationship.  

No worries, i was just busting your chops

 

 

[randomGuy]

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