No trundler policy

[Vk1]

Apart from Brisbane, can't see any other ground  in Australia where Bhuvi can do well since there won't be much swing. Ishant, Bumrah, Shami/Siraj is the way to go in Australia along with Pandya. If required drop the spinner and play 4+1 fast bowlers.

[Vk1]

2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Need bowlers who have good control over line and length. Trundlers or no trundlers wasn't an issue. Problem was that trundlers were considered as line and length bowlers who lacked pace, when in fact they hardly had any control. Have seen trundlers bowling short or on pads all the time. 

 

Any bowler who can bowl consistently at good line and lengths should play - Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Ishant all do that right now.

Against good batsmen, bowling line and length alone will not suffice. They got to have decent movement or just enough pace/bounce to beat them. Years back Jason Holder barely used to get any movement, used to rely on line and length and his average must have been in 50s. Nowadays gets some movement along with bounce and he had picked few five fors recently.

[speedheat]

Seriously!! Trundlers should be nowhere near the scheme of things unless n until an absolute magician like asif who can seam it both ways with same action. 

Edited October 4, 2018 by speedheat

[Moochad]

Does Thakur count as a trundler, he seems mostly in 134-136 speeds

 

Kohli at teh toss said Thakur is close to a debut. I think he may get a chance in the next test.

[jalebi_bhai]

On 10/3/2018 at 7:59 PM, zen said:

There was a time when we were blessed with Roger Binny, Madan Lal, Chetan Sharma, etc.  In the 90s, Srinath came and we started to  that we get more such bowlers .... Now we have a bunch of bowlers who can bowl 140+ consistently -> Bumrah, Khaleel, Saini, Siraj, Pandya (AR), etc. .... And then we have a back up of useful bowlers who can bowl quick - Shami, Yadav and Ishant 

 

We need to impose a no trundler policy. No Bhuvi, Chahar, Thakur, Kaul and company unless conditions demand it 

 

No trundlers

I'd make an exception for Bhuvi. The rest are one dimensional.

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, Moochad said:

Does Thakur count as a trundler, he seems mostly in 134-136 speeds

 

 

Shardul Thakur is a very short pacer.   Such pacers need to be quicker than tall and tallish pacers to come out of the trundler zone.

 

If we look at the really good quality pacers who are or were short ... most have been out and out quick pacers who have bowled 135 k to 147 k / 150 k range.

Edited October 5, 2018 by express bowling

[zen]

15 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Apart from Brisbane, can't see any other ground  in Australia where Bhuvi can do well since there won't be much swing. Ishant, Bumrah, Shami/Siraj is the way to go in Australia along with Pandya. If required drop the spinner and play 4+1 fast bowlers.

I don't think we have a test scheduled at Brisbane this time around .... The test venues iirc are Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne and Sydney 

 

 

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Moochad said:

Does Thakur count as a trundler, he seems mostly in 134-136 speeds

 

Kohli at teh toss said Thakur is close to a debut. I think he may get a chance in the next test.

Kohli and team management are living in their own lala land. Why did they send back from Dubai if they had to pick him again. Obviously he wasn't injured as he did for Mumbai soon after that.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Moochad said:

Does Thakur count as a trundler, he seems mostly in 134-136 speeds

 

Kohli at teh toss said Thakur is close to a debut. I think he may get a chance in the next test.

He needs to 138-142 range to be effective at his height with good accuracy. If He tries to bowl quick, he loses accuracy.

[sandeep]

On 10/3/2018 at 2:14 PM, zen said:

Even in tests, Bhuvi will not do much in unhelpful conditions. He probably was played and only did well where the ball swung prodigiously 

why don't you go check Bhuvi's test numbers over the last 2 years.  

[Cricketics]

Bhuvi is not a trunderl. 

 

BUMRAH-BHUVI-SHAMI-UMESH in Australia. 

Even we can throw in Khaleel OR Saini in Australia. 

 

 

 

 

[Mosher]

Agree with the no trundler policy in tests. Only exception is if someone is as skillful as Bhuvi.

[zen]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

why don't you go check Bhuvi's test numbers over the last 2 years.  

Everyone knows that his test stats in the last two years are boosted by playing in extremely helpful conditions in SA and when pace bowlers from both side took all (or almost all) wkts in the Ind vs SL game  .... In 2019, he is not likely to encounter extremely friendly conditions. In fact, he could be due for performances like the below:

 

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PS his performance in Aus 

 

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filtered	1	2	42.0	5	168	1	1/46	1/168	168.00	4.00	252.0	0	0

 

 

If we are to have a "no trundler" policy and if Bhuvi is considered a good trundler, not playing Bhuvi unless conditions demand (since we have quicker quality options) will send an even stronger message on what is required to be selected .... encouraging pace bowlers in the process .... as someone posted here, a trundler would, ideally, need to be of Asif's quality to be selected 

Edited October 5, 2018 by zen

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

why don't you go check Bhuvi's test numbers over the last 2 years.  

over the last two years, he has only been played in helpful conditions.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

He needs to 138-142 range to be effective at his height with good accuracy. If He tries to bowl quick, he loses accuracy.

 

Shardul needs to be 137 k to 145 k or higher  ...  given his short height and mediocre skill level.

[express bowling]

36 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Agree with the no trundler policy in tests. Only exception is if someone is as skillful as Bhuvi.

Agree bro ...  and we need to extend it to ODIs also.

 

Trundlers can work in T20s if they have variations ...  problem is, we pick them for ODIs too if they succeed in T20Is.

[CSK Fan]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

over the last two years, he has only been played in helpful conditions.

I love your hypocrisy when you call out bhuvis averages making a million excuse but dont do the same for other bowlers particularly in odis where you blindly follow averages . He tests even on flat pitches he has not been outbowled 

[CSK Fan]

2 hours ago, zen said:

Everyone knows that his test stats in the last two years are boosted by playing in extremely helpful conditions in SA and when pace bowlers from both side took all (or almost all) wkts in the Ind vs SL game  .... In 2019, he is not likely to encounter extremely friendly conditions. In fact, he could be due for performances like the below:

 

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filtered	3	6	65.3	15	195	4	1/11	2/68	48.75	2.97	98.2	0	0

 

 

 

PS his performance in Aus 

 

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filtered	1	2	42.0	5	168	1	1/46	1/168	168.00	4.00	252.0	0	0

 

 

If we are to have a "no trundler" policy and if Bhuvi is considered a good trundler, not playing Bhuvi unless conditions demand (since we have quicker quality options) will send an even stronger message on what is required to be selected .... encouraging pace bowlers in the process .... as someone posted here, a trundler would, ideally, need to be of Asif's quality to be selected 

Lmao the absolutrle bulk **** of taking one single match as a sample when he was returning back from injury. Come on thats the height of desperation 

[zen]

1 minute ago, CSK Fan said:

Lmao the absolutrle bulk **** of taking one single match as a sample when he was returning back from injury. Come on thats the height of desperation 

Some good work to remove trundlers out of equation, the greater good 

[Unleashed]

Calling Bhuvi a trundler is an insult tbh. This place is filled with idiots, I'm surprised they have the capacity to write their posts tbh.