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19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

This match showed Kohli is doing just fine as captain.


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kohli plays with a strong unit and rohit plays with an experimenting unit....

this shows nothing. If u wanna judge a captain give him time to build his side acc to him . 

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I didn't find much wrong eith kdk denying the single .He had the self confidence to whack 2 sixes,only blunder he made was not go deep in the crease and hoick in the leg side (smaller boundaries) ,also southee bowled well in the end 

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3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

kohli plays with a strong unit and rohit plays with an experimenting unit....

this shows nothing. If u wanna judge a captain give him time to build his side acc to him . 

Good point actually .I remember in 2014 Asia cup ,after our defeat to pak and srl ,people were blasting kohli amd his use of proper 5 bowlers also saying this team needs dhoni captain without even thinking that kohli was leading a dhoni-raina less India .Had dhoni and raina played then ,we would have comfortably beaten both the sides 

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1 minute ago, Adi BB said:

Good point actually .I remember in 2014 Asia cup ,after our defeat to pak and srl ,people were blasting kohli amd his use of proper 5 bowlers also saying this team needs dhoni captain without even thinking that kohli was leading a dhoni-raina less India .Had dhoni and raina played then ,we would have comfortably beaten both the sides 

yup we can judge kohli captaincy now its his team and he has build it over a period of time, rohit is just doing a stand in job

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kohli plays with a strong unit and rohit plays with an experimenting unit....
this shows nothing. If u wanna judge a captain give him time to build his side acc to him . 


Kohli won with the same unit in Australia. Kohli is the best captain for this team.


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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 


Kohli won with the same unit in Australia. Kohli is the best captain for this team.


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A -that aussie side was not as good as this NZ side

B- this side is kohli less that side wasnt rohit less

c- that side had bumrah

 

Kohli is a bullcrap LOI captain

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Why are people blaming Rohit? Clearly the plan was to let Rohit be there till the end and we know usually what happens if he stays there long enough and the rest to attack around him.

 

He doesn’t need to play a selfish innings because his place is under no threat and there is nothing left for him to prove in the format as one of the GOAT in this format.

 

He didn’t look scratchy either,so was clearly a plan and makes sense as we are a Top 1,2,3 team and with Dhawan out he had to take up responsibility.

 

Clearly Dadu and Dhawan flopped badly but Dill waaley and Dadu fans using Rohit as a scapegoat lol 

 

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11 minutes ago, maniac said:

Why are people blaming Rohit? Clearly the plan was to let Rohit be there till the end and we know usually what happens if he stays there long enough and the rest to attack around him.

 

He doesn’t need to play a selfish innings because his place is under no threat and there is nothing left for him to prove in the format as one of the GOAT in this format.

 

He didn’t look scratchy either,so was clearly a plan and makes sense as we are a Top 1,2,3 team and with Dhawan out he had to take up responsibility.

 

Clearly Dadu and Dhawan flopped badly but Dill waaley and Dadu fans using Rohit as a scapegoat lol 

 

What a shameless fanboy :giggle:

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19 minutes ago, maniac said:

Just last game we said Krunal can’t play pace. Sure he got away a few hits right in his arc but DK has more of a shot there than Krunal. Wasn’t a brain fart. One of those risky moves that look like a million bucks when they come off and like a dud when they fail.

I know. Krunal hacked a few sixes on these tiny grounds. But it doesn't change the fact he is a super duper hack.

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2 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

What a shameless fanboy :giggle:

Yeah he should have got out for a 2(4) like dadu. The only reason every other guy was going at rate of knots because Rohit was at the other end. That was a very uncharacteristic approach by the team (in a good way) like attacking despite fall of wickets. Atleast I am not a fan boy of an over the hill selfish grandpa

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Just now, maniac said:

Yeah he should have got out for a 2(4) like dadu. The only reason every other guy was going at rate of knots because Rohit was at the other end. That was a very uncharacteristic approach by the team (in a good way) like attacking despite fall of wickets. Atleast I am not a fan boy of an over the hill selfish grandpa

Honestly, i don't seriously worry about his slow going. He can catch up on his day. It was one of those days he was looking scratch. Needs such days in meaningless T20 Internationals. If you ask me he should have taken a break as well 

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6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Yeah he should have got out for a 2(4) like dadu. The only reason every other guy was going at rate of knots because Rohit was at the other end. That was a very uncharacteristic approach by the team (in a good way) like attacking despite fall of wickets. Atleast I am not a fan boy of an over the hill selfish grandpa

Ind could have won if Rohit had got out early like Dhawan too 

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

Yeah he should have got out for a 2(4) like dadu. The only reason every other guy was going at rate of knots because Rohit was at the other end. That was a very uncharacteristic approach by the team (in a good way) like attacking despite fall of wickets. Atleast I am not a fan boy of an over the hill selfish grandpa

Just defend for the heck of it . Plan ? Lol only pant played the way he normally plays and the rest has to swing their bat in the end to make for the slow start . 

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Just now, maniac said:

Yeah he should have got out for a 2(4) like dadu. The only reason every other guy was going at rate of knots because Rohit was at the other end. That was a very uncharacteristic approach by the team (in a good way) like attacking despite fall of wickets. Atleast I am not a fan boy of an over the hill selfish grandpa

Aww I know it hurts you if someone has a word of praise for Dhoni and he can be termed as fanboy lol

But yeah let's blame someone who wasted 4 balls as oppose to someone who wasted 5 overs in name of anchoring. Incidentally Rohit played a typical Dhoni innings and if Dhoni had played this you would have gone bonkers.

Anyways keep it up with your fanboyism

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1 minute ago, zen said:

Ind could have won if Rohit has got out early like Dhawan too 

He can catch up easily after a slow start. Losing both Rohit and Dhawan would have been panic mode. The Indian middle order be it Shankar,Pant,Pandya bros,DK are all cameo

players good for 20-30s and Dhoni less said the better. Rohit is the only guy who can bat long and we needed someone to play a big knock to win chasing a challenging total. Pretty clear to me :dontknow:

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3 minutes ago, zen said:

Ind could have won if Rohit has got out early like Dhawan too 

Not necessarily here cos our middle order is still poor , but I bet the difference in India win percentage when he gets out early or gets a big one is marginal , while there are number of matches he screws up when he does neither 

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5 minutes ago, maniac said:

He can catch up easily after a slow start. Losing both Rohit and Dhawan would have been panic mode. The Indian middle order be it Shankar,Pant,Pandya bros,DK are all cameo

players good for 20-30s and Dhoni less said the better. Rohit is the only guy who can bat long and we needed someone to play a big knock to win chasing a challenging total. Pretty clear to me :dontknow:

With batting till #8, there is no reason for anyone to play an inning where they have to catch up .... there is no reason to waste 30 balls (25% of availabke balls) ....  Chasing 11 RPO,  you are required to be well above the RRR in PPs .... Ind should have ideally scored 75 

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1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

Not necessarily here cos our middle order is still poor , but I bet the difference in India win percentage when he gets out early or gets a big one is marginal , while there are number of matches he screws up when he does neither 

He has the joint fastest T20I 100 and has 4 100s and most 6s in T20Is for India and India is the no.2 team despite playing its 2nd string sides most times with Rohit as the captain. Something to ponder about.

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For perspective, in ODIs, it would be like Rohit scoring 90 of 75 (approx 7 RPO)when Ind is chasing 530 .... which means others are left to score 440 of 38 overs (approx RRR 12)  :no:

 

 

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Just now, Gollum said:

'Are You Dhoni?': Dinesh Karthik Trolled For Denying 'Crucial' Single to Krunal Pandya

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And these idiots forget that Dhoni has cost many such games lol especially in T20 where as DK pulled off one of the most memorable heists.

 

Seriously these idiots are so cringeworthy :wall: 

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Just now, zen said:

For perspective, in ODIs, it would be like Rohit scoring 90 of 75 (approx 7 RPO)when Ind is chasing 530 .... which means others are left to score 440 of 38 overs (approx RRR 12)  :no:

 

 

That’s a stat based on a false premise. Yes Rohit got out and his sr looks mediocre but we all know what Rohit can do if he survives long enough, he can more than make up for it. The plan was not to bat at that sr throughout. One of the rare occasions it didn’t come off.

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

He has the joint fastest T20I 100 and has 4 100s and most 6s in T20Is for India and India is the no.2 team despite playing its 2nd string sides most times with Rohit as the captain. Something to ponder about.

Babar azam will most likely beat him statistically and I think he’s crap . It’s not the stats , which most top order players have inflated I care about .

As for the team , yeah you have a point but that’s the same excuse we can use for any player who screws up . Do you accept that Dhoni plays slowly  cos of the weak middle order then ?

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1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

Babar azam will most likely beat him statistically and I think he’s crap . It’s not the stats , which most top order players have inflated I care about .

As for the team , yeah you have a point but that’s the same excuse we can use for any player who screws up . Do you accept that Dhoni plays slowly  cos of the weak middle order then ?

Opener’s approach should be the same as the guy who comes in after over no.35 and at 5 or 6?

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

That’s a stat based on a false premise. Yes Rohit got out and his sr looks mediocre but we all know what Rohit can do if he survives long enough, he can more than make up for it. The plan was not to bat at that sr throughout. One of the rare occasions it didn’t come off.

When chasing you try to control the RRR and not blow it out of proportion .... can’t waste 5 overs in a T20 game chasing 210+ .... Have to go harder in PPs 

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Just now, maniac said:

Opener’s approach should be the same as the guy who comes in after over no.35 and at 5 or 6?

No openers approach should be using the power plays cos there is no pressure of having lost wickets . They need to be much more aggressive . This is not tests , so opening is not really a specialist batting spot . Especially in T20s there is no need to drop anchor for any batsmen in any situation, unless you are chasing 130 on a difficult pitch . 

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

And these idiots forget that Dhoni has cost many such games lol especially in T20 where as DK pulled off one of the most memorable heists.

 

Seriously these idiots are so cringeworthy :wall: 

At least 4 T20s against NZ we have lost with Dhoni playing a big part in the * up.

 

Surprisingly what DK did today (premise of this thread), Dhoni did in the T20 against England in our 2014 tour. 9 off 4 balls needed and Rayudu was at the non striker's end when Dhoni refused a single. Our hero then as usual effed up costing us the match, garbage innings unlike today's DK blitz. And we needed only 25 from 14 at one stage that day....lauda finisher. 

England vs India, Only T20I , 2014 scorecard

 

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Karthik should've taken the single. You never know you may get a wide or two or even no ball. I can understand if the batsman at the other end was a tailender. Maybe Karthik overestimates himself based on Nidahas final. Anyway the real culprit though is selfish TUK TUK Sharma.

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Rohits innings was mediocre by his high lofty standards. However Krunal Pandya’s spell,Khaleel’s bowling and drop catch,Dhawan and Dadu’s performances, Knuckle bowler plenty of performances that should be under the scanner before Rohit.  However people calling me out on having an agenda,there is a pattern for the other supporters, Rohit’s odd failure is being magnified 

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6 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Karthik should've taken the single. You never know you may get a wide or two or even no ball. I can understand if the batsman at the other end was a tailender. Maybe Karthik overestimates himself based on Nidahas final. Anyway the real culprit though is selfish TUK TUK Sharma.

Nicely summed up.I don't blame DK much today as he brought Ind back into the game but irrespective a batsman should never turn down a single in this situation unless there is a tailender or a new batsman at the other end.

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Just now, maniac said:

Rohits innings was mediocre by his high lofty standards. However Krunal Pandya’s spell,Khaleel’s bowling and drop catch,Dhawan and Dadu’s performances, Knuckle bowler plenty of performances that should be under the scanner before Rohit.  However people calling me out on having an agenda and given there is a pattern for the other supporters, Rohit’s odd failure is being magnified 

Seriously you are blaming Dhoni and Dhawan, two faced a grand total of 8 balls.Their place in the side is highly questionable but you need to get your head checked if you blame these two for today's loss to defend your heart throb

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Just now, SK_IH said:

Seriously you are blaming Dhoni and Dhawan, two faced a grand total of 8 balls.Their place in the side is highly questionable but you need to get your head checked if you blame these two for today's loss to defend your heart throb

Yeah can’t blame mainstream batsmen  who got a grand total of 7 runs playing 9 balls 

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Just now, maniac said:

Yeah can’t blame mainstream batsmen  who got a grand total of 7 runs playing 9 balls 

No, because they might not have contributed to teams success but they also didn't hamper a chance of a win unlike the hitman

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Dhoni scored 2 from 4. Those 4 additional balls we could have easily won. Rohit scores 38 runs which bumped the score down. Not calling a great knock but how can people not see the difference. Had he got out for 0(1) the middle order had to stitch together 38 more runs and given all of them are cameo players that is more of an uphill task. 

 

Clearly the hate towards Rohit is agenda driven

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

A -that aussie side was not as good as this NZ side

B- this side is kohli less that side wasnt rohit less

c- that side had bumrah

 

Kohli is a bullcrap LOI captain

This NZ side had Steiger, Mitchell, Tickner, Mckruggen. They were experimenting  as well with no Boult, Fergusson missing today and Taylor coming in at 5-6.

 

Kohli may not be the best LOI captain but this series has dented Rohit’s captaincy chances (his day by day deteriorating pathetic fitness doesn’t help either)

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Even if it was the plan of team that Rohit will play as an anchor.  It wasn't a wise plan. No anchoring is needed when you have to chase 213. An anchor at the one end will put extra pressure on other end. Rohit should have made at least 45-50 runs in 32 balls, he has the capability to do that. 

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19 minutes ago, maniac said:

Dhoni scored 2 from 4. Those 4 additional balls we could have easily won. Rohit scores 38 runs which bumped the score down. Not calling a great knock but how can people not see the difference. Had he got out for 0(1) the middle order had to stitch together 38 more runs and given all of them are cameo players that is more of an uphill task. 

 

Clearly the hate towards Rohit is agenda driven

Ohh the irony 

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7 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

This NZ side had Steiger, Mitchell, Tickner, Mckruggen. They were experimenting  as well with no Boult, Fergusson missing today and Taylor coming in at 5-6.

Fergueso only missed this game and boult is no bumrah 

7 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

 

Kohli may not be the best LOI captain but this series has dented Rohit’s captaincy chances (his day by day deteriorating pathetic fitness doesn’t help either)

thats a seprate topic and soon he ll suffer with reflexes if he doesnt improve his fitness

Did asia cup affect kohli captaincy ? No . 

Rohit is the next LOI captain without any doubt and no one else is even on radar

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Fergueso only missed this game and boult is no bumrah 

thats a seprate topic and soon he ll suffer with reflexes if he doesnt improve his fitness

Did asia cup affect kohli captaincy ? No

Rohit is the next LOI captain without any doubt and no one else is even on radar

It did delay Kohli getting LOI captaincy. Would have got the captaincy right after 2015 WC but it was said he was not ready for captaining all three formats. Plus Kohli was 25 at that time, Rohit is 31.

 

Likewise the chorus for Rohitas captain will calm down now after the last 5 matches. His own form, performance of young bowlers, tactical decisions- all got scrutinised and he came up short.

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3 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

It did delay Kohli getting LOI captaincy. Would have got the captaincy right after 2015 WC but it was said he was not ready for captaining all three formats. Plus Kohli was 25 at that time, Rohit is 31.

 

Likewise the chorus for Rohitas captain will calm down now after the last 5 matches. His own form, performance of young bowlers, tactical decisions- all got scrutinised and he came up short.

how wud it calm down ? what if he wins another IPL 

who is other option for captaincy in LOI ?

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

A -that aussie side was not as good as this NZ side

B- this side is kohli less that side wasnt rohit less

c- that side had bumrah

 

Kohli is a bullcrap LOI captain

No Bumrah was not there, and Kohli did win odi series in NZ.Stop finding the need to find something wrong when there is nothing wrong .

 

Kohli is the best captain in all formats , no need to fix something which does not need to be fixed.

 

Instead we need to fix the the need for bits and pieces players.

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