mishra Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gollum said: Dude just fun, chill. Gollum 1
putrevus Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 After 224 ODI matches. Virat Kohli is miles ahead of Sachin Tendulkar as far as batting numbers are concerned. In 216 innings, Kohli has accumulated 10,693 runs while Tendulkar’s tally stood at 8,350 from 217 innings. But more than the runs scored, it is the average and the numbers of centuries scored which tilts the balance in Kohli’s favour. Kohli averages almost 60 in ODIs, compared to Tendulkar scoring 23 hundreds after an equal number of matches. Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/pursuits/virat-kohli-vs-sachin-tendulkar-comparison-in-odis#gs.0igyu5 Copyright © BloombergQuint Somehow some people still think Sachin is even in the same ballpark as Kohli.
Gollum Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, putrevus said: After 224 ODI matches. Virat Kohli is miles ahead of Sachin Tendulkar as far as batting numbers are concerned. In 216 innings, Kohli has accumulated 10,693 runs while Tendulkar’s tally stood at 8,350 from 217 innings. But more than the runs scored, it is the average and the numbers of centuries scored which tilts the balance in Kohli’s favour. Kohli averages almost 60 in ODIs, compared to Tendulkar scoring 23 hundreds after an equal number of matches. Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/pursuits/virat-kohli-vs-sachin-tendulkar-comparison-in-odis#gs.0igyu5 Copyright © BloombergQuint Somehow some people still think Sachin is even in the same ballpark as Kohli. Applying the same criteria every modern era batsman will trump the previous generation batsmen. No taking into account the changing nature of the game? 10 years from now when 450 becomes par score other batsmen will statistically supersede Kohli too. ODI batsmen of this era have inflated stats, bowlers are better than what their stats suggest. At this stage (54 matches) Rayudu is statistically a better ODI batsman than Lara, Ponting, Crowe, Dean Jones, Aravinda, Inzi, Thorpe etc... Edited March 7, 2019 by Gollum Rightarmfast 1
putrevus Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Gollum said: Applying the same criteria every modern era batsman will trump the previous generation batsmen. No taking into account the changing nature of the game? 10 years from now when 450 becomes par score other batsmen will statistically supersede Kohli too. ODI batsmen of this era have inflated stats, bowlers are better than what their stats suggest. At this stage (54 matches) Rayudu is statistically a better ODI batsman than Lara, Ponting, Crowe, Dean Jones, Aravinda, Inzi, Thorpe etc... 54 matches is too small to make any kind of judgement, he has not played in all conditions against all teams. Your comparision is ridiculous , Doeschate averages 67 , it does not make him better than Kohli. It is not just avg which makes Kohli greatest, it is the amazing consistent 100 making ability which makes him greates. ( he has more 100s than Smith, Williamson and Root combined). Kohli is head and shoulders above everyone in odis. velu 1
rkt.india Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Gollum said: Applying the same criteria every modern era batsman will trump the previous generation batsmen. No taking into account the changing nature of the game? 10 years from now when 450 becomes par score other batsmen will statistically supersede Kohli too. ODI batsmen of this era have inflated stats, bowlers are better than what their stats suggest. At this stage (54 matches) Rayudu is statistically a better ODI batsman than Lara, Ponting, Crowe, Dean Jones, Aravinda, Inzi, Thorpe etc... how many have comparable stats to Kohli even in today's era. The other 3 contemporary greats are not even close. velu 1
Gollum Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: how many have comparable stats to Kohli even in today's era. The other 3 contemporary greats are not even close. ABDV is at least as good as VK in ODIs. Smith in those 3 KO matches in 2015 WC achieved more than what Kohli did with all his useless 100s in JAMODIs. Kohli has also been absolute garbage in tournament finals, Sachin aced both WCs and tourney finals.
Gollum Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, putrevus said: 54 matches is too small to make any kind of judgement, he has not played in all conditions against all teams. Your comparision is ridiculous , Doeschate averages 67 , it does not make him better than Kohli. Who decides what is small sample size and what is not? Earlier you brought Zaheer Abbas to counter Viv , where was sample size then? Quote It is not just avg which makes Kohli greatest, it is the amazing consistent 100 making ability which makes him greates. ( he has more 100s than Smith, Williamson and Root combined). Pity he scores only meaningless runs and fails when something big is on the line. Can't be greatest with such a piss poor WC KO record and joke of a tournament finals record. I repeat again majority of his runs have come in inconsequential matches, Sachin top scored in 2 WCs and 2nd highest in another edition. 19 year old Sachin in 1992 WC did more than what VK did in 2015 WC. Quote Kohli is head and shoulders above everyone in odis. No he not. In last 10 years or so he hasn't even conclusively outshone ABDV, and been owned by Dhawan on the big stage. And when it comes to important matches there are 10 other batsmen who I will take over this choker. Edited March 8, 2019 by Gollum
rtmohanlal Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 no doubt that Kohli is the best one day batsman of this era.But across eras , very difficult to tell. Lara avg:ed just over 40 .Amla averages almost 50.By stats alone Amla is way ahead. But is Amla conclusively better??? Definitely not . A lot of factors need to be taken into account and also need to be evaluated as to by how much these factors influence the numbers.Similar is with Sachin-Kohli .. Kohli's one clear short coming as of now is his performance in world cups. velu 1
velu Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: no doubt that Kohli is the best one day batsman of this era.But across eras , very difficult to tell. Lara avg:ed just over 40 .Amla averages almost 50.By stats alone Amla is way ahead. But is Amla conclusively better??? Definitely not . A lot of factors need to be taken into account and also need to be evaluated as to by how much these factors influence the numbers.Similar is with Sachin-Kohli .. Kohli's one clear short coming as of now is his performance in world cups. viv .. baap of all Gollum 1
R!TTER Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Well statistically Gilly is the best player in WC finals, three 50's & no failures & featured in 3 WC wins! If you're talking all WC KO matches then Viv, SRT, Gilly top the list. Virat has been avg in 2 WCs so just one great WC won't automagically make him as the best ever! He has to do well in WC KO & more than 1 WC, in fact if you look at his WC record it's nothing less than shocking - given he's done reasonably well in CT & great in WT20 as well. Edited March 8, 2019 by R!TTER
putrevus Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) What are the great knockout innings which Sachin played?? Edited March 8, 2019 by putrevus
putrevus Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, velu said: viv .. baap of all No Viv is getting very overrated here, he had very high risk game.He was great but Kohli is far better than anyone else.
putrevus Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Gollum said: Who decides what is small sample size and what is not? Earlier you brought Zaheer Abbas to counter Viv , where was sample size then? Pity he scores only meaningless runs and fails when something big is on the line. Can't be greatest with such a piss poor WC KO record and joke of a tournament finals record. I repeat again majority of his runs have come in inconsequential matches, Sachin top scored in 2 WCs and 2nd highest in another edition. 19 year old Sachin in 1992 WC did more than what VK did in 2015 WC. No he not. In last 10 years or so he hasn't even conclusively outshone ABDV, and been owned by Dhawan on the big stage. And when it comes to important matches there are 10 other batsmen who I will take over this choker. Even Dhawan will take guy who is owned by him everyday or week and twice on sunday over himself. Sachin is not even in the same ball park as Kohli.
mishra Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Compare Kohli to anyone, No one gives Jack ****. Compare Midget to anyone, And its Pandoras box. Now, go and fiure who people care. This thread is running because it has Tendulkar associted with it
putrevus Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Sachin was never this great at any point in his career. Even in 1998 which was his greatest year Sachin was not this great. Richards, Sachin they are all behind this great batsman who has no parallel in history of ODI cricket. Hats off to this guy, he is making a mockery of records. Rasgulla 1
Yoda-esque Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Kohli is greater, but I want him to show that in the WC
Rasgulla Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Should start comparing Rohit Sharma with this average player. Kohli is something else. Nikola 1
rageaddict Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 See Kohli fails to finish the job again as was the case with SRT most of the times. When you are the only batsman carrying the burden of entire batting line-up, you might get a big ton but always fall short of the touching line without any contribution from other batsmen. Can't expect a batsman to get a big score and remain at the crease all the way till the end. Many spectacular chases by Kohli in Odis had contributions from the other batsmen but he fails when he has to do the job all alone like today.
putrevus Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said: Kohli is greater, but I want him to show that in the WC To win world cup , you need a team too. Dhoni did nothing in 2011 but team carried him to finals and he happened to get his one score there.
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