Sachin Tendulkar v Virat Kohli in Tests

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, Jay said:

Like pujara for example. He looked like he was going to be dravid esque at 50 plus. Look at him now. Maybe 45 if he is lucky. 

45 in this era is as good as 50 in 2000s flat pitch era.

[Sunil_narine024]

10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

45 in this era is as good as 50 in 2000s flat pitch era.

Sachin and Kallis averaged high even in the 90s, Lara was good too. Rahul Dravid piled most of his runs on flatbeds 2002-2008, maybe Ponting too. But emotional fans will not except it.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Sunil_narine024

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

45 in this era is as good as 50 in 2000s flat pitch era.

 

Current  era is more like Incompetence era. I don't think anyone from the 2000s would gift boat load of wickets to a bowler like Moeen Ali series after series.

[Jay]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Current  era is more like Incompetence era. I don't think anyone from the 2000s would gift boat load of wickets to a bowler like Moeen Ali series after series.

sachin gifted wickets to guys like cronje

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

sachin gifted wickets to guys like cronje

 

He wasn't clueless against them. Kohli has been clueless against every run of the mill spinner these days. It took ages for Tendulkar to lose his reflexes against spinners.  Kohli right after his first peak lost everything.

[kohli]

25 minutes ago, Sunil_narine024 said:

Sachin and Kallis averaged high even in the 90s, Lara was good too. Rahul Dravid piled most of his runs on flatbeds 2002-2008, maybe Ponting too. But emotional fans will not except it.

Dravid avg was 50 in 90s more than kallis & ponting even ganguly avg was close to 50 in 90s

[SRT100]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He wasn't clueless against them. Kohli has been clueless against every run of the mill spinner these days. It took ages for Tendulkar to lose his reflexes against spinners.  Kohli right after his first peak lost everything.

 

When Sachin retired, the country stopped and paid respect and gave him a standing ovation.

 

When Virat retires, the country will act like it is Diwali celebrating the end of India's worst captain and the dawn of a New India.

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

sachin gifted wickets to guys like cronje

He got out to him a lot, but doesnt mean he didbt score runs and even 100s before getting out 

[New guy]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

45 in this era is as good as 50 in 2000s flat pitch era.

Looking at the technique of current batsmen, i thibk its more IPL and t20s causing it. Sachin, dravid etc had wy better technique than pujara or kohli againat both pace and swing. If smith can average 60s, root can average well, surely those legends could still average in the 50s

[diga]

2 hours ago, Sunil_narine024 said:

Rahul Dravid piled most of his runs on flatbeds 2002-2008, maybe Ponting too. But emotional fans will not except it.

All I can say is let Kohli start batting at #3 and score more runs than Dravid to be compared against him... Currently his average is just above 50 batting at no-4 or no-5 .  

 

[Lone Wolf]

Man even Kohli can't score runs in Wankhede where Axar Patel looked like million dollars.  There isn't a better test pitch than Wankhede in India.  He is doomed. 

Unless he starts stepping out vs spin or uses sweeps or slog sweeps he is done & dusted. 

He would love South Africa as no spin there & not a lot of swing & no philander.  He can still handle Pace n bounce so I expect few cute 50's & on fast tracks & fast outfields.  His cover drives would work nicely. 

[rollingstoned]

7 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Simple, play with the bat slightly in front of the pad - he got out to Ajaz the same *ing way he got out to Bhai at Rose Bowl in 2018 

 

His game against spin has gone down drastically, basically he's emulating this guy without the ability to hit sixes!

 

Brat did actually play brilliantly against spin in 2016-17, he used to go deep in his crease to play on the back foot or really forward to smother the spin. That stupid *ing lunge tells me he's not reading the length well - that's the downfall of any player & it's only downhill from there 

it is a pipe dream now but even back in the early 00s sometimes seniors used to go play domestic cricket. All 3 of the stooges could use half a season at least of Ranji so they could get that little bit better at playing spin. pujara doesn't even play white ball cricket so his decline is all down to age but Rahane and Kohli could certainly use it. i wouldn't expect Pandey or rayudu to be worse than what we have seen from them in 2 home series now.

[rkt.india]

34 minutes ago, New guy said:

Looking at the technique of current batsmen, i thibk its more IPL and t20s causing it. Sachin, dravid etc had wy better technique than pujara or kohli againat both pace and swing. If smith can average 60s, root can average well, surely those legends could still average in the 50s

Pitches overseas are still fine but at home too spin friendly.

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Current  era is more like Incompetence era. I don't think anyone from the 2000s would gift boat load of wickets to a bowler like Moeen Ali series after series.

Moeen isn't as bad a bowler as you are making him. He is very good bowler for English standards.  Had he played for India, he wouldn't be any less than Ashwin. He used to put more revs than Ashwin and was fairly accurate.  Ashwin averages 40 in SENA. Moeen 38. So there isn't much difference between the two. Ashwin looks good ot become of his home bowling or in WI, spin bowling paradise.

 

Regarding old gen, they too had their share of Clarks and Udals and others. Getting out 76 at home etc

Edited December 7, 2021 by rkt.india

[Jay]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He wasn't clueless against them. Kohli has been clueless against every run of the mill spinner these days. It took ages for Tendulkar to lose his reflexes against spinners.  Kohli right after his first peak lost everything.

True. I wasn't disputing who was better at all. We know who is better. Kohli is not even a true ATg imo. We have zero ATG batsmen ATM. 

 

 

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Man even Kohli can't score runs in Wankhede where Axar Patel looked like million dollars.  There isn't a better test pitch than Wankhede in India.  He is doomed. 

Unless he starts stepping out vs spin or uses sweeps or slog sweeps he is done & dusted. 

He would love South Africa as no spin there & not a lot of swing & no philander.  He can still handle Pace n bounce so I expect few cute 50's & on fast tracks & fast outfields.  His cover drives would work nicely. 

Lol. Sturmann is philander clone. Ranada can still nick him off. 

[vvvslaxman]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Moeen isn't as bad a bowler as you are making him. He is very good bowler for English standards.  Had he played for India, he wouldn't be any less than Ashwin. He used to put more revs than Ashwin and was fairly accurate.  Ashwin averages 40 in SENA. Moeen 38. So there isn't much difference between the two. Ashwin looks good ot become of his home bowling or in WI, spin bowling paradise.

 

Regarding old gen, they too had their share of Clarks and Udals and others. Getting out 76 at home etc

 

They had Murali/Warne/Saqlain/Herath some of the top spinners to contend with. Stuart Mcgill is better than most of the overseas spinners these days.  Ashwin not looking good has nothing to do with he is only as good as Moeen. Ashwin was never picked as a  frontline spinner overseas. You have to play him in every single test. Not play him whenever you want. Last time when India toured SA, 4 catches were dropped off Ashwin in one innings. How would you include such things.

[Lord]

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Moeen isn't as bad a bowler as you are making him. He is very good bowler for English standards.  Had he played for India, he wouldn't be any less than Ashwin. He used to put more revs than Ashwin and was fairly accurate.  Ashwin averages 40 in SENA. Moeen 38. So there isn't much difference between the two. Ashwin looks good ot become of his home bowling or in WI, spin bowling paradise.

 

Regarding old gen, they too had their share of Clarks and Udals and others. Getting out 76 at home etc

 

You can't include Moeen's record in England for SENA as its home for him.Thats like saying Umesh is better than Cummins as he averages better in Asia

 

Everywhere else Ashwin is far better.

 

Why does Moeen average 48 in India if its so easy?

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

You can't include Moeen's record in England for SENA as its home for him.Thats like saying Umesh is better than Cummins as he averages better in Asia

 

Everywhere else Ashwin is far better.

 

Why does Moeen average 48 in India if its so easy?

 

Ashwin was not given a run. He has missed 50% of SENA matches since his debut. Finally he is turning things around. He was ignored for 4 tests. I am sure he will be dropped in SA as well.

[Vijy]

while it is true that pitches are not that flat now, there is still a conspicuous drop in batting technique. good technique can counter good bowlers - this is how ind did well enough against lyon in 2020, more so than our previous tour in 2018. there was more assertive footwork and occasional use of sweep