Laaloo Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Akram's rating is surprisingly low. well maybe if he didnt feast on tailenders Turning_track, express bowling and Jimmy Cliff 3 Link to comment
Turning_track Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Joint second highest batting points ever, equaling Len Hutton after latest update. https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/569571 Link to comment
New guy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Akram's rating is surprisingly low. Waqar never achieved no 1 rankings in his career Link to comment
Shunya Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Saala 7 points hi mila for a double century and MOM in a winning cause. Need couple of double centuries more to beat Bradman I guess. It will great if he can do it, sounds impossible. Nevertheless, Steven Smith. This guy is creating history day by day. velu 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 This is already knocking on the ATG door now. Even if he bats with an avg of 41 for next 5k runs, he will end with avg of 50+. It seems highly unlikely that he won't maintain good level if not this great level for next few more years. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, New guy said: Waqar never achieved no 1 rankings in his career No Waqar was no 1 for many months during 1993-1994. Problem was that he was competing with Ambrose who consistently maintiained high rating points (880-912) for long time. Ambrose probably never went out of top 10 once entering the list for the first time. Link to comment
velu Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 only 7 points gained for a double ton Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Shunya said: Saala 7 points hi mila for a double century and MOM in a winning cause. Need couple of double centuries more to beat Bradman I guess. It will great if he can do it, sounds impossible. Nevertheless, Steven Smith. This guy is creating history day by day. Don ko pakadna mushkil hi nahin....Clearly this proves that the rating doesn't increase linearly. Otherwise Kohli wouldn't have got a 60 pt boost after a double against Lanka in the 2nd Test with Smith getting just 7 here. Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Shunya said: Saala 7 points hi mila for a double century and MOM in a winning cause. Need couple of double centuries more to beat Bradman I guess. It will great if he can do it, sounds impossible. Nevertheless, Steven Smith. This guy is creating history day by day. seems rather unfair that he got only 7 pts Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I don't think peak takes into account the quality of the bowling faced on the avg:.Hence , this peak though a highlight of a career is not the 'all important matter'. I wonder, other wise how can somebody like Sachin who faced several ATG bowlers and had an avg: of 59.35 scoring a mammoth 13534 runs(still better than the 2nd highest aggregate of all time of Ponting) had a peak rating of only 898. Another point to note in Sachin's case is that ,with in his best phase of 41 tests where he scored 4335 runs @69.92 avg: he played only 11 tests in 2 years(1998 & 2000 combined . 1998 was the year Sachin was at his towering best in one dayers).So that also counts when we analyse the 'peak' factor.It means Peak is a highlight but not the 'all important thing'. Just saying the point by taking Sachin's example into account. Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Vijy said: seems rather unfair that he got only 7 pts It does tbh. Just for comparison Kohli got 16 pts for his double and 50 for the drawn Delhi Test. But I suppose it's the same for every player once they reach the stratospheric heights of 930+. Becomes increasingly harder to get a big jump. In a way I am glad that the Don is still at the top. Shunya 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: It does tbh. Just for comparison Kohli got 16 pts for his double and 50 for the drawn Delhi Test. But I suppose it's the same for every player once they reach the stratospheric heights of 930+. Becomes increasingly harder to get a big jump. In a way I am glad that the Don is still at the top. yes, it will be hard to overtake him. at least stewie has equalled hutton. Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: I don't think peak takes into account the quality of the bowling faced on the avg:.Hence , this peak though a highlight of a career is not the 'all important matter'. I wonder, other wise how can somebody like Sachin who faced several ATG bowlers and had an avg: of 59.35 scoring a mammoth 13534 runs(still better than the 2nd highest aggregate of all time of Ponting) had a peak rating of only 898. Another point to note in Sachin's case is that ,with in his best phase of 41 tests where he scored 4335 runs @69.92 avg: he played only 11 tests in 2 years(1998 & 2000 combined . 1998 was the year Sachin was at his towering best in one dayers).So that also counts when we analyse the 'peak' factor.It means Peak is a highlight but not the 'all important thing'. Just saying the point by taking Sachin's example into account. The FAQ section does mention that the strength of the opposition is taken into account so I think the quality of bowling is being considered. But yeah batsmen like Ponting who get to play an insane number of Test during their prime (I think AUS played nearly 70 Tests between 2002-06) have an advantage over some one like Tendulkar who barely played 5 Tests in 1998 when he was at his absolute peak. Even right now a guy like Root has a massive advantage over someone like Williamson who gets much fewer opportunities. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: The FAQ section does mention that the strength of the opposition is taken into account so I think the quality of bowling is being considered. But yeah batsmen like Ponting who get to play an insane number of Test during their prime (I think AUS played nearly 70 Tests between 2002-06) have an advantage over some one like Tendulkar who barely played 5 Tests in 1998 when he was at his absolute peak. Even right now a guy like Root has a massive advantage over someone like Williamson who gets much fewer opportunities. Even though it might be taking this ' quality of bowling ' factor into account, I doubt as to how much weightage is given to this factor. For me this factor is of supreme importance because of the fact that 'all it needs for a bowler is just a single quality delivery to pack even a super quality batsman back to the pavilion and there by discontinue thru that inns of his for ever'.For instance take Graeme Hick. He was glorified as the second coming of Bradman when he came into the scene because of his penchant for building mammoth inns feeding on the 120-130 km/hr range county bowlers..But all it needed was an 140-150 km/hr Ambrose to make him fade away from the scene even faster than he arrived.In other words, that little a bit difference in bowling speed or quality can make a huge difference to the fortunes of opposition batsmen because of the fact that such high quality bowlers can time and again produce that unplayable delivery thru out an inns that can make the batsman discontinue thru that inns of his for ever . Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Also, he just lost 3 points after couple of failures in adelaide test. after 920 it becomes tough to gain as well lose points easily . Link to comment
Shunya Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Vijy said: seems rather unfair that he got only 7 pts True. He lost 3 points from 941 to 938 after 2nd Test where he scored 40 & 6. So I believe he has to maintain above his career average per innings to be even out. That makes it so tough to rise in ranking above 900 rating. Damn. It will take super consistency to reach here. Brilliant by Smith. velu 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Shunya said: True. He lost 3 points from 941 to 938 after 2nd Test where he scored 40 & 6. So I believe he has to maintain above his career average per innings to be even out. That makes it so tough to rise in ranking above 900 rating. Damn. It will take super consistency to reach here. Brilliant by Smith. think he will push the rating a bit higher once the next 2 tests end. Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Forget ranking every time he comes out to bat he looks so comfortable irrespective of co condition or attack. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 8 hours ago, Vijy said: think he will push the rating a bit higher once the next 2 tests end. no, he wont come close to Don's rating ever. that ranking was achieved by scoring at an average close to 100. one has to be near that to achieve that again. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 33 minutes ago, rkt.india said: no, he wont come close to Don's rating ever. that ranking was achieved by scoring at an average close to 100. one has to be near that to achieve that again. true,he will have to score consecutive 100s in last 2 games,one of them preferably double again to come close,highly improbable Link to comment
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